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Soldato
http://www.amenusa.org/Iraq15.htm
Israel holds the record for ignoring United Nations Security Council resolutions, according to a study by San Francisco University political science professor Steven Zunes.
Since 1968, Israel has violated 32 resolutions that included condemnation or criticism of the governments' policies and actions. Turkey is in second place, with 24 violations since 1974, and Morocco is third with 17 resolutions it ignored.
PLeasenote that this is not including the list of 29 resolutions that the US has vetoed regarding israel, many of these having been unanimous, only to be dropped because of the single vveto excersed by the US
Soldato
yet dispite the fact that it was well publicesed that the only reason 1441 passed was because Syria, Pakistan, France, Russia and China all voted for it on the basis that it was not alone enough as a trigger for war.
on that agreement, and that only was it passed. for the US and UK to now say that it is legal, dispite this previous agreement is a battle of syantics, not legality. they know that it is not legal, which is why they went for another resolution, when they could not get that they diceded that 1441 was sufficent, in blatent disregards of what had been agreed previously
Man of Honour
Wow! Didnt think it was that many!, inc 1441, thats 10 chances! Nearly one for each year.
At last we are acting.
Soldato
why?
if Iraq is being invaded because we have lost patience with his blatent disreagrd for UN resolution, have WMD and attacking innocent people, well, Isreal has WMD (nukes), has ignored more UN resolutions, has ben killing Palestiains and been doing this all for the last 30 years not just 12!!!!
lets sort out our priorities, Israel, then Iraq. lets start with the worst shall we?! no?
Soldato
and Isreal has ignored 32...!
great, when do we invade?!
Are you stupid or have you just not noticed that Israel has very big, nasty weapons! ffs there are reasons, very obvious ones, that we don't go attacking China, Pakistan etc. I don't know why people like you seem to think we should use the same tactics with everybody.
Israel has ignored the UN for decades longer than Iraq.. and continues to illegally occupy Palestinian land and kill civilians regularly.
Yet we attack Iraq and ignore Israel. Any attempts to bring Israel to account are vetoed by the US in the UN.
And people wonder why the US is hated in the world?
Do people really think this war will decrease the chances of terrorism when the US literally lets Israel get away with murder?
Yet we attack Iraq and ignore Israel. Any attempts to bring Israel to account are vetoed by the US in the UN.
And people wonder why the US is hated in the world?
Do people really think this war will decrease the chances of terrorism when the US literally lets Israel get away with murder?
Shame for you that Israel is seen as a democracy by the U.N. else you might have had your wish granted.
Dunno why they see democratically elected governments differently. Then WE could be invaded for our human rights abuses which I'm sure are listed somewhere. We could be defeated and then rebuilt a new with a massive influx of financial help.
Originally posted by silverpaw
Are you stupid or have you just not noticed that Israel has very big, nasty weapons! ffs there are reasons, very obvious ones, that we don't go attacking China, Pakistan etc. I don't know why people like you seem to think we should use the same tactics with everybody.
Why doesn't the US let the UN disarm Israel of its WMDs then? Send in inspectors? Instead of using its veto any time such action is mooted?
This type of double standards is why the US was attacked on '911'. Sadly no lessons have been learned, and we're making the same ones again as we speak.
Because Israel is far more important to the US in both military and economically, are you so naive to think the US would remove it's top location for arms shipments and probably only 'friend' in the Middle East?
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/special.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/special.html
Soldato
Originally posted by silverpaw
Are you stupid or have you just not noticed that Israel has very big, nasty weapons! ffs there are reasons, very obvious ones, that we don't go attacking China, Pakistan etc. I don't know why people like you seem to think we should use the same tactics with everybody.
i would have thought, that that was an even better reason to attack them first
i mean, the US sold arms to Iraq, and now attacks Iraq because of that. and the US sold WMD to Israel, so we should attack for the same reason.
when do we get started then?
No, you clearly don't understand.
Israel has very high tech and capable weapons, they ARE a match for the US, they have the same technology for the most part, there would be huge casualties on both sides, they also have nuclear weapons.
War these days generally involves attacking people you know you can beat. That's not Israel.
Israel has very high tech and capable weapons, they ARE a match for the US, they have the same technology for the most part, there would be huge casualties on both sides, they also have nuclear weapons.
War these days generally involves attacking people you know you can beat. That's not Israel.
The US does not benefit from letting Israel get away with murder. Read Pat Buchanan's article in my sig.. he is opposed to the war and you can't get more conservative than him. But he's a true conservative and a real US patriot, not like neo-conservative Bush.
Man of Honour
Genuine question as i dont know, but has Isreal used it womd??
Mal
Originally posted by silverpaw
No, you clearly don't understand.
Israel has very high tech and capable weapons, they ARE a match for the US, they have the same technology for the most part, there would be huge casualties on both sides, they also have nuclear weapons.
War these days generally involves attacking people you know you can beat. That's not Israel.
The point is, the US doesn't have to ATTACK Israel; without US support Israel would wither away, left on its own. The US funds Israel to the tune of some $20,000 per Israeli citizen, I believe.
What saddens me is that with its massive economic, political and military might and influence, the US could be such a powerful force for good in the world, if only it chose that path.
Despite being mentioned many times that Iraq has FAR more French supplied weapons than U.S. along with much Russian designed equipment. Talking of which, the Russians were supplying arms to many Arab States for many years to use against Israel. Nobody seems to remember THAT either.
Educate me on the U.S. selling nukes ( I assume that's what you mean) to Israel. I ask not to have a go but because there is a gap in my knowledge.
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