Any news on 7800 xt?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is even more stupid than that.

Look...

The 7900XTX, the true successor to the 6900XT at near 50% faster remained at the same price, $999.99
The by name successor the 7900XT, at 30% faster, was $900, even for as much as we all agree its actually the 7800XT it was still name for name cheaper.
The 7600, 30% faster than its name sake replacement while also 20% cheaper.

There is nothing in any of that ^^^ to suggest the name sake 7800XT is going to be the same price for similar performance.

The leak from Powercolor showed the specs of the RX7800XT and there have been some other leaks. Unless AMD is trying some stealth jebait nonsense,then we know we are getting an RX7800XT 16GB and an RX7700XT 12GB. The issue is calling it an RX7800XT hints at a high price,unless AMD decides to price it at £500.

The fact they are upselling a 60CU part as an RX6800XT replacement which has more CUs is ridiculous. We all see how RDNA3 "IPC" and average clockspeeds are not enough to compensate.

So unless this has some major fixes in performance,ie,it clocks well past 3GHZ and has big "IPC" fixes then we all can gather its going to be a lemon. But again Navi 32 isn't a Navi31 replacement at all. Its a RX6700XT replacement.

An RX6800XT is nearly 45% faster than an RX6700XT:

https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-amp-airo/images/relative-performance-2560-1440.png

So is the RTX4070 against the RTX3060TI - that is around the same level of improvement over an RTX3060TI. So the generational uplift for both is there,but instead we are being charged £100s more.

Now think what happens with the next generation?

It's all very odd behaviour, it looks like either incompetence or collusion. Neither or which are good. There could have course be something we aren't aware of driving these decisions...the unknown unknown

Its greed and short termism because of the obsession with the short term share price. I like to be proven wrong with Navi 32,but I have very low expectations now. If AMD wants to copy Nvidia,then one has to ask - why should anyone bother waiting for their releases? An RX7800XT with similar performance to an RTX4070,at the same price is not really inspiring especially since the RTX4070 is poor value.

 

[humbug]

The leak from Powercolor showed the specs of the RX7800XT and there have been some other leaks. Unless AMD is trying some stealth jebait nonsense,then we know we are getting an RX7800XT 16GB and an RX7700XT 12GB. The issue is calling it an RX7800XT hints at a high price,unless AMD decides to price it at £500.

The fact they are upselling a 60CU part as an RX6800XT replacement which has more CUs is ridiculous. We all see how RDNA3 "IPC" and average clockspeeds are not enough to compensate.

So unless this has some major fixes in performance,ie,it clocks well past 3GHZ and has big "IPC" fixes then we all can gather its going to be a lemon. But again Navi 32 isn't a Navi31 replacement at all. Its a RX6700XT replacement.

An RX6800XT is nearly 45% faster than an RX6700XT:

https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-amp-airo/images/relative-performance-2560-1440.png

So is the RTX4070 against the RTX3060TI. So the generational uplift for both is there,but instead we are being charged £100s more.




Its greed and short termism. I like to be proven wrong with Navi 32,but I have very low expectations now. If AMD wants to copy Nvidia,then one has to ask? Why should anyone bother waiting for their releases? An RX7800XT with similar performance to an RTX4070,at the same price is not really inspiring especially since the RTX4070 is poor value.

Leaks CAT leaks.... how do we know the 60 CU part isn't the 7700XT and the 7900 GRE that all these tech jurnoes said is avalable to buy and treated as a retail GPU but isn't and never was gets a 20% clock boost and that ends up being the RX 7800XT?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Leaks CAT leaks.... how do we know the 60 CU part isn't the 7700XT and the 7900 GRE that all these tech jurnoes said is avalable to buy and treated as a retail GPU but isn't and never was gets a 20% clock boost and that ends up being the RX 7800XT?

But this was on the Powercolor website when they put up the listing by mistake. That is one of their main board partners:

PowerColor leaks Radeon RX 7800 XT Red Devil, Navi 32 with 3840 cores and 16GB confirmed - VideoCardz.com

Red Devil RX 7800 XT has been revealed by PowerColor PowerColor has made a huge mistake by revealing their Radeon RX 7800 XT graphics card before AMD. The new RX 7800 XT Red Devil graphics card boasts a new RDNA3 GPU equipped with 3840 Stream Processors, just as many cores as the last-gen RX...

videocardz.com

 

[humbug]

Maybe the 60 CU one is the 7800 none XT? maybe there is a 54 CU 7700XT and a 48 CU 7700 None XT.

 

[humbug]

But this was on the Powercolor website when they put up the listing by mistake. That is one of their main board partners:

PowerColor leaks Radeon RX 7800 XT Red Devil, Navi 32 with 3840 cores and 16GB confirmed - VideoCardz.com

Red Devil RX 7800 XT has been revealed by PowerColor PowerColor has made a huge mistake by revealing their Radeon RX 7800 XT graphics card before AMD. The new RX 7800 XT Red Devil graphics card boasts a new RDNA3 GPU equipped with 3840 Stream Processors, just as many cores as the last-gen RX...

videocardz.com

For a full 24 hours, like an Nvidia employee once said, we do this all the time to troll AMD and tech Jurnoes, and to gauge public reaction.

No AIB is going to leave a mistake up for a full 24 hours and Powercolour are a prime AMD partner.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

For a full 24 hours, like an Nvidia employee once said, we do this all the time to troll AMD and tech Jurnoes and to gauge public reaction.

No AIB is going to leave a mistake up for a full 24 hours and Powercolour are a prime AMD partner.

I hope it is a jebait because at best this card should be an RX7800! Because in the end Nvidia has priced their products so poorly,AMD doesn't need to do that much.

 

[humbug]

I hope it is a jebait because at best this card should be an RX7800! Because in the end Nvidia has priced their products so poorly,AMD doesn't need to do that much.

I know... but you also know how these things go, it would not be the first time these jurnoes have published apparently credible leaks only for them to be entirely wrong, especially for AMD, and you know how they always explain them getting it so wrong "AMD got scared or some #### and changed their mind last minute" its never, "we ##### up, we made it up, or; we've been trolled"

 

[Apex]

https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-amp-airo/images/relative-performance-2560-1440.png

Surely that's 30% faster, 6700XT = 70% performance of 6800XT?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-amp-airo/images/relative-performance-2560-1440.png

Surely that's 30% faster, 6700XT = 70% performance of 6800XT?

The RX6800XT is 42% faster. The percentages are calculated by the aggregate FPS of each card relative to the one tested.

If you look at the previous page,you can see the aggregate FPS:

https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-amp-airo/images/average-fps-2560-1440.png

RX6800XT=116.7FPS and RX6700XT=81.9FPS,so the RX6800XT is about 42% faster(1.42X). So nearly 45% faster.

 

[humbug]

I'll say this, the 7900 GRE is clocked about 30% bellow the 7900XTX, if that or something similar doesn't get a 20% clock boost, 20Gb/s memory IC's and labelled retail RX 7800XT then AMD really are daft.

 

[Apex]

The RX6800XT is 42% faster. The percentages are calculated by the aggregate FPS of each card relative to the one tested.

If you look at the previous page,you can see the aggregate FPS:

https://tpucdn.com/review/zotac-geforce-rtx-4070-amp-airo/images/average-fps-2560-1440.png

RX6800XT=116.7FPS and RX6700XT=81.9FPS,so the RX6800XT is about 42% faster(1.42X). So nearly 45% faster.

Ok, thanks for explaining.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Ok, thanks for explaining.

But since the RTX3060TI and RX6700XT are about the same performance,and the RTX4070 and RX6800XT are similar,the uplift would be similar if the RX7800XT=RX6800XT.

I'll say this, the 7900 GRE is clocked about 30% bellow the 7900XTX, if that or something similar doesn't get a 20% clock boost, 20Gb/s memory IC's and labelled retail RX 7800XT then AMD really are daft.

Well AMD can see the negativity around what Nvidia is doing. They don't need to do much to look better here - if they screw this up then something does not add up at all.

 

[humbug]

But since the RTX3060TI and RX6700XT are about the same performance,and the RTX4070 and RX6800XT are similar,the uplift would be similar if the RX7800XT=RX6800XT.


Well AMD can see the negativity around what Nvidia is doing. They don't need to do much to look better here - if they screw this up then something does not add up at all.

Yeah... if they screw this up its because they are in some weird self destruct mode....

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah... if they screw this up its because they are in some weird self destruct mode....

Or both companies just want to sell their old stuff for minimal discounting,and then use it as an excuse to permanently raise dGPU pricing. Makes you wonder if this happens,we might get some interesting articles in a few years:

AMD, Nvidia Conspire to Price Fixing; Sued

A major lawsuit has been filed against AMD and Nvidia for breaking antitrust laws and fixing prices on GPUs and graphics cards.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[humbug]

Or both companies just want to sell their old stuff for minimal discounting,and then use it as an excuse to permanently raise dGPU pricing. Makes you wonder if this happens,we might get some interesting articles in a few years:

AMD, Nvidia Conspire to Price Fixing; Sued

A major lawsuit has been filed against AMD and Nvidia for breaking antitrust laws and fixing prices on GPUs and graphics cards.

www.tomshardware.com

Wouldn't surprise me, but AMD need to realise they are still the losers if they such an arrangement now.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Wouldn't surprise me, but AMD need to realise they are still the losers if they such an arrangement now.

This obsession over short term share price and margins is really leading to problems everywhere sadly.

 

[KompuKare]

You forget....this is AMD. They did the same with the RX7900XT,and made the RTX4070TI 12GB look better than it should(as it was cheaper). So following on from that,they will overprice the RX7800XT to make the RTX4070 look "decent" and then in a few months when the price drops,it will look better. By then the damage will be done and people will have just bought something else. All the reviews will be around showing how overpriced it is.

Maybe AMD needs to stop sniffing the fumes from the stock market analysts and actually look at their own customers. If not they will just end up with less than 10% sales share.

AMD are so keen to not abandon their losing strategy!
Spend money on R&D. Launch overpriced to poor reviews. Get almost no sales. Eventually cut prices. Get some sales but with the release reviews hanging over everything - not as many as expected nor to justify the R&D.
Repeat for the next launch!

Its greed and short termism because of the obsession with the short term share price. I like to be proven wrong with Navi 32,but I have very low expectations now. If AMD wants to copy Nvidia,then one has to ask - why should anyone bother waiting for their releases? An RX7800XT with similar performance to an RTX4070,at the same price is not really inspiring especially since the RTX4070 is poor value.

You better not read the RDNA4 thread over on AT as there someone there calling anyone who doesn't agree with the high margins and ultra-low volumes strategy an idiot!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD are so keen to not abandon their losing strategy!
Spend money on R&D. Launch overpriced to poor reviews. Get almost no sales. Eventually cut prices. Get some sales but with the release reviews hanging over everything - not as many as expected nor to justify the R&D.
Repeat for the next launch!

But,but the shareholders were happy for one day(during the announcement). The worst thing is that because Nvidia launches quicker and in bigger volume,the chance of a good deal on an Nvidia card or some misprice happens more often. So if people are just going to get essentially the same product for almost the same price after waiting months,they might as well not bother.

You better not read the RDNA4 thread over on AT as there someone there calling anyone who doesn't agree with the high margins and ultra-low volumes strategy an idiot!

Wasn't there some guy over there who hated on ATI or AMD because they lost money on their shares?

 

[Troezar]

This obsession over short term share price and margins is really leading to problems everywhere sadly.

It's a similar issue to politicians only being motivated by what they think will get them a vote. Short term decisions with no thought of the longer term consequences.

 

[humbug]

This obsession over short term share price and margins is really leading to problems everywhere sadly.

Oh don't get me started on that i'll get yeeted out of the thread by a Don and rightfully so as i can go on for hours as to why our essential services that are now privatised get ever more expensive and yet still don't work, they don't exist for those services they exist to make a very small number of very wealthy people even wealthier.
As one politician said we have to make energy suppliers more profitable (so more expensive to you and me) to attract investors, so there you have it, essential services that we have no choice but to buy exist for rich people to extract money out of us, have fun with those 40p pkwh electric bills.

Its what Nvidia exist for, its what AMD exist for, but at least we can chose not to buy their crap.