Caporegime
BTW, its been decided that water companies now also have to be more profitable to attract investors.
Expect 50% price hikes soon.... have fun with that.
Expect 50% price hikes soon.... have fun with that.
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Any news on 7800 xt?
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It’s not 30% it’s about 20% slower.
£700 for 7900 XT about 45% faster than last gen 6800 XT
£620ish for 7800 XT (or 7900) about 20% - 25% faster (at best) than last gen 6800 XT
£520ish for 7800 about same performance or 5% better at best than last gen 6800 XT
We don’t need to look at tech specs and die sizes to work this out. Just take the existing Nvidia GPU tier costs and take roughly 10% off for AMDs price/perf.
AMD will price these to up sell the tier above, not to give consumers some big price/perf improvements. It should be noted the official MSRP of the 7900 XT is still $900.
Caporegime
A 60 CU 7800XT will not be faster than a 72 CU 6800XT, at all, ever.....
It is rumoured to be
Why do you keep saying it’s a 60 CU GPU. AMD will release a GPU at the 4070 price/perf because if they don’t Nvidia have no competition for the 4070 price tier. Like I said the tech spec is not what matter but where AMD usually compete.
Look at last gen. Compete in raster and lose in RT, give more VRAM and charge 10% less.
They quite literally have a GPU that fits that bill as a 4070 competitor.
Why do you keep saying it’s a 60 CU GPU. AMD will release a GPU at the 4070 price/perf because if they don’t Nvidia have no competition for the 4070 price tier. Like I said the tech spec is not what matter but where AMD usually compete.
Look at last gen. Compete in raster and lose in RT, give more VRAM and charge 10% less.
They quite literally have a GPU that fits that bill as a 4070 competitor.
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The trouble is the 6800XT already does that and even shows a 7% lead over a 4070 in raster and costs £500, if AMD come in with a slightly slower card for more money then it’ll just look daft and get panned in reviews.
But the 6800 XT will become EOL. So whatever replaces it will be a bit faster and have better efficiency and cost the same MSRP. In this case the 7900 GRE, or whatever it’s released as in the west fits that bill.
£600 - £620ish, ~20% faster (with the usual AMD cherry picking) and more efficient. The perfect mediocre upgrade in the new norm for GPUs.
£600 - £620ish, ~20% faster (with the usual AMD cherry picking) and more efficient. The perfect mediocre upgrade in the new norm for GPUs.
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Some of these things are decided years in advance.
For reasons only known to AMD and what looks to us like a total lack of risk assessment, AMD decided to take a huge gamble and have not only the Navi 21 successor but also the Navi 22 successor as chiplet.
That all seems to have mostly gone wrong but it's is far too late to now create a Navi 32 class card as a monolith.
So while they can tinker with model names and prices, if they are forced to fill the gaps in their lineup with a 7900 GRE where they have to fuse off a large potentially percentage of the full die (at ~300mm2 Navi 31's yield should be quite good), then AMD will probably do what they've done lots of times in the recent past: launch but twith tny volumes which can barely cover their R&D.
Last gen when there was a wafer shortage then outsider their contractual console orders, they almost abandoned dGPU for the far more profitable Ryzen. When HBM made Fury uneconomic, they just tricked a few out.
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It's not about AMD it's about Nvidia, AMD will price it 50 under the nearest Nvidia competitor not the AMD competitor
Soldato
The RX7800XT will be a disaster at anything over £500 if it is literally an RTX4070 with a bit more VRAM 5 months later. The RTX4070 12GB is already £530 now.
AMD is aiming for 5% marketshare at this rate.
And if they mess up pricing this generation,with RDNA4 nobody will bother waiting again for ANY AMD dGPU. AMD might as well not bother then. Is their market research so poor,they can't understand this?
Their repeated obsession with "we are not a budget company anymore" is handing free sales to Nvidia and Intel. What their rubbish market research doesn't get into their head,is Nvidia took risks with huge chips to win the performance crown at ANY cost for several generations to become the "premium" brand. They threw money at "value added features" and huge amounts at social media market for well over a decade.
AMD not doing this,launching most of the range months late and not investing in its "value added features" means they are the budget brand,whether they like to believe it or not. The only thing which makes them worth buying for many is the extra VRAM and Linux support,and that is Nvidia throwing them a free bone. If people who entertain buying their cards CBA because of stupid positioning,then most gamers will care even less.
They could only charge as much as Intel,by trading blows with them for THREE whole generations of CPUs,and offering more of everything. Then it took them another two generations with Zen3 and Zen4 for AMD to finally beat Intel overall in laptops. It was the same in the Athlon era.
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Whose going to buy it though for over £600 though? when you could have got similar performance for less money months ago.
AMD have backed themselves into a corner by moving their entire stack up one tier. When the true 6800 XT successor became the 7900 XT with a significant release price increase.
Now AMD have left a big gap in both price and performance between the “new” rumoured 7800 XT with the 60 CUs and the 84CU 7900 XT. The 60CU 7x00 is going to be similar (at best) to the 6800 XT and is aimed at the 4070 in price/perf. That means typically for AMD about 10% lower than whatever the Nvidia competitor price. So about $550, or the 6800 release MSRP. I can’t see them calling it the 7800 XT but then again if they have moved their stack up one tier it makes perfect sense in a nonsensical way
We already know the 7900 GRE (that allegedly will not be released) performance and price. It is essentially right around what the old 6800 XT release MSRP, with a mild performance increase. So AMD either officially reduce the MSRP of 7900 XT and XTX, or just keep letting vendor/suppliers offer “deals” that keep them at $700 and $850. Or the 7900 GRE gets a limited release as a 7900 (or 7800 XT) for $650 MSRP.
Sorry this is all speculative based on where the official $900 7900 XT price/perf is and the rumoured $550 - $580 7800 XT price/perf. It just doesn’t make sense for AMD to leave such a large gap their GPU lineup.
Now AMD have left a big gap in both price and performance between the “new” rumoured 7800 XT with the 60 CUs and the 84CU 7900 XT. The 60CU 7x00 is going to be similar (at best) to the 6800 XT and is aimed at the 4070 in price/perf. That means typically for AMD about 10% lower than whatever the Nvidia competitor price. So about $550, or the 6800 release MSRP. I can’t see them calling it the 7800 XT but then again if they have moved their stack up one tier it makes perfect sense in a nonsensical way
We already know the 7900 GRE (that allegedly will not be released) performance and price. It is essentially right around what the old 6800 XT release MSRP, with a mild performance increase. So AMD either officially reduce the MSRP of 7900 XT and XTX, or just keep letting vendor/suppliers offer “deals” that keep them at $700 and $850. Or the 7900 GRE gets a limited release as a 7900 (or 7800 XT) for $650 MSRP.
Sorry this is all speculative based on where the official $900 7900 XT price/perf is and the rumoured $550 - $580 7800 XT price/perf. It just doesn’t make sense for AMD to leave such a large gap their GPU lineup.
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All just my opinion but..
It needs to perform close to a 6950 XT (just under a 4070 Ti) while being priced no more than £600
How i think it will perform is close to a 6800 XT (just over a 4070) while being priced slightly under £600.
It needs to perform close to a 6950 XT (just under a 4070 Ti) while being priced no more than £600
How i think it will perform is close to a 6800 XT (just over a 4070) while being priced slightly under £600.
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You are even more pessimistic than me
My thoughts are £520ish for the 6800 replacement (the 60 CU part). About on par with the 6800 XT.
Some revamped and maybe slightly overclocked 7900 GRE type card at £620ish that beats the 4070.
7900 XT gets an official lower MSRP of £720 - £750
7900 XTX gets official MSRP of about £900
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Soldato
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Sounds a disaster. You can already get an RTX4070 12GB for £530. So unlike the RX7900XT which is cheaper than the RTX4070TI,has 2/3 more VRAM,and faster in rasterised,you get a card which costs, the same,performs the same and has a bit more extra VRAM. Also AMD RT performance scales with rasterised performance,the RX7900XT is going to have less of an RT performance deficit against an RTX4070TI than an RX7800XT against an RTX4070.
AMD already got a significantly lower performance jump this generation,especially as they cheaped out and didn't go with TSMC 4N 5NM. They cheaped out and went with TSMC 6NM with the RX7600. Now they are trying to upsell their dGPUs.
If indeed the RX7800XT does not beat an RX6800XT significantly and AMD want to charge over £500,one has to question WTF is happening inside the company. What type of market research are they using. They are obviously ignoring JPR:
Nvidia only has to refresh their range,and release an RTX4070 Super(made from the AD103) and an RTX4060 Super(made from the AD104),and AMD is sort of finished.
You are even more pessimistic than me
My thoughts are £520ish for the 6800 replacement (the 60 CU part). About on par with the 6800 XT.
Some revamped and maybe slightly overclocked 7900 GRE type card at £620ish that beats the 4070.
7900 XT gets an official lower MSRP of £720 - £750
7900 XTX gets official MSRP of about £900
Sounds a disaster. You can already get an RTX4070 12GB for £530. So unlike the RX7900XT which is cheaper than the RTX4070TI,has 2/3 more VRAM,and faster in rasterised,you get a card which costs, the same,performs the same and has a bit more extra VRAM. Also AMD RT performance scales with rasterised performance,the RX7900XT is going to have less of an RT performance deficit against an RTX4070TI than an RX7800XT against an RTX4070.
AMD already got a significantly lower performance jump this generation,especially as they cheaped out and didn't go with TSMC 4N 5NM. They cheaped out and went with TSMC 6NM with the RX7600. Now they are trying to upsell their dGPUs.
If indeed the RX7800XT does not beat an RX6800XT significantly and AMD want to charge over £500,one has to question WTF is happening inside the company. What type of market research are they using. They are obviously ignoring JPR:
Nvidia only has to refresh their range,and release an RTX4070 Super(made from the AD103) and an RTX4060 Super(made from the AD104),and AMD is sort of finished.
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Caporegime
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Sounds a disaster. You can already get an RTX4070 12GB for £530. So unlike the RX7900XT which is cheaper than the RTX4070TI,has 2/3 more VRAM,and faster in rasterised,you get a card which costs, the same,performs the same and has a bit more extra VRAM. Also AMD RT performance scales with rasterised performance,the RX7900XT is going to have less of an RT performance deficit against an RTX4070TI than an RX7800XT against an RTX4070.
AMD already got a significantly lower performance jump this generation,especially as they cheaped out and didn't go with TSMC 4N 5NM. They cheaped out and went with TSMC 6NM with the RX7600. Now they are trying to upsell their dGPUs.
If indeed the RX7800XT does not beat an RX6800XT significantly and AMD want to charge over £500,one has to question WTF is happening inside the company. What type of market research are they using. They are obviously ignoring JPR:
Nvidia only has to refresh their range,and release an RTX4070 Super(made from the AD103) and an RTX4060 Super(made from the AD104),and AMD is sort of finished.
They should ignore JPR who are counting how many sold to the supply chain, not how many people own them.
That's fine for AMD and Nvidia, Intel's GPU's sit on shelves. Retailers report Intel sales to be around 0.02%, not ##### 4%, Christ....
If it seems too good to be true....
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Caporegime
Humbug
"If indeed the RX7800XT does not beat an RX6800XT significantly and AMD want to charge over £500,one has to question WTF is happening inside the company."
What if it comes in at £600 and sits between 6800XT and 6950XT?
RIP AMD?
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One retailer actual sales figures.
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