Yeah I meant 4 generations. 1000-3000 was behind in gaming but had far better price performance, sometimes 50% cheaper for equal cores. Do you think ryzen would have done well if AMD priced it 10-20% than intels HEDT when it first released.
Intel was selling 6 cores for $450 and 8 cores for $1000, AMD came in with 6 cores for $218 and 8 for $330, now imagine AMD looked at intels pricing and thought let’s sell our ryzen 7 1700 for $800 and our ryzen 5 1600 for $400, do you think they would have gained any market share? as that’s pretty much what their doing with GPUs.
I don't think CPU's are comparable to GPU's, you need a CPU to make your system work, beyond that it just sits in the background doing its thing unnoticed.
The fact they are bowing out of high end for RDNA4 says it all that they don’t think it’s financially beneficial to chase high end (perhaps due to production costs/R&D?).
Hopefully chiplet will be a Ryzen Zen 2 to Zen3 moment for RDNA5 and we all get the performance we so badly crave for the cheapest possible price.
The reason Intel can't put AMD back in the box is because they can't compete with AMD's chiplet technology, Intel can't make them cheap enough to cause a problem for AMD's bottom line, and not for trying which they are.
The way Intel almost finished AMD off in the 2000's was to give chips away and then pay people not to use AMD CPU's, denying AMD sales of their better CPU's, they had an enormous cash stash to do it, if you look at Intel financials you can see they are trying something similar again, and failing, Intel are making 0 margins on their Xeon product line, AMD are making around 30 to 40%. because to this day Intel are still incentivising people to buy their Xeon's instead of EPYC where they can, while gradually losing marketshare, they have been doing it for a while, the money is gone, Intel sacked 30% of its work force, is closing down many of its businesses and boring billions every quarter.
And they are still trying, stubbornly, or maybe just to maintain some sort of grip in datacentre.
If AI kicks off Intel will have even more problems because the fight there will be between Nvidia and AMD, those two have by far the best products and some of the stuff AMD has in development is ##### astonishing, Nvidia will struggle against it but again they have the mindshare, Intel are nowhere, AI is the sort of thing that Nvidia and AMD are particularly specialist at. its data and number crunching, very very high performance number crunching. Out side of fabs i don't see a long term future for Intel.
AMD need chiplets because Nvidia will not be able to compete with that using monolithic. without chiplets they have no advantage over Nvidia and with that Nvidia can always price match AMD out of the market, a bit like Intel did to AMD all those years ago, that's why AMD are all in on chiplets. Perhaps even pushing too hard too fast which is why they have had to back off for Navi 4.
