Any news on 7800 xt?

[ALXAndy]

Right now, but how about next year? Or the year after? How about over the lifespan of the GPU? Say 4 years?

Right now is as good a time as any to make certain predictions. Mostly because the dev cycle is going full circle on the consoles and thus, hitting older cards with less VRAM hard.

The worst games for it (but best when it came to visuals) were TLOU and a few others. I don't feel that games will improve much more than that before people need new consoles. The problem is that both of these cards will need settings dropped from the beginning to be able to max out 1440p with high refresh any way.

It's like I said before. Some cards need more VRAM. Some cards just don't. It is all about getting that balance correct, which AMD seem to do quite well. They certainly give you options rather than none, and planned obsolescence seems less of a thing with AMD.

Bottom line? you would be silly to buy a 7700XT any way. For £50 more you get so much more. More VRAM, faster die, higher VRAM speed and higher bandwidth. Which when you consider Nvidia charge £100 for more VRAM and little else? makes the 7700XT not worth bothering with.

 

[Apex]

Care to share your thoughts on why as I've been toying with the idea of buying one of those even now, what with how disappointing the 7800XT has seemingly turned out.

I was hoping all the rumours would turn out to be wrong and the 7800XT would be close to the 4070 TI / 6950 XT so my thinking was that I'd wait and get that sort of performance but with slightly newer features/power usage but now the 7800 XT seems like it's closer to the 4070 / 6800 XT it seems a bit pointless.

I don't think the 6900/50XT is that much faster than 6800XT or 7800XT is likely to be, plus the 7800XT is newer tech, will be more efficient and will likely age better than the older gen cards which are around the same performance bracket. I'd also think 7800XT will be a bit better in ray tracing if that matters to you.

Price will come into it of course when all the dust has settled, you might come to a different conclusion overall though. But for now, I'm pleased I held off as the the price of the 6000 carda are only going to go one way now.

 

[ALXAndy]

I don't think the 6900/50XT is that much faster than 6800XT or 7800XT is likely to be, plus the 7800XT is newer tech, will be more efficient and will likely age better than the older gen cards which are around the same performance bracket. I'd also think 7800XT will be a bit better in ray tracing if that matters to you.

Price will come into it of course when all the dust has settled, you might come to a different conclusion overall though. But for now, I'm pleased I held off as the the price of the 6000 carda are only going to go one way now.

RX 6950 XT Vs RX 6800 XT [We Performed 10 Benchmarks] - Tech4Gamers

In the RX 6950 XT Vs RX 6800 XT comparison, I will weigh the performance difference between the mentioned GPUs.

tech4gamers.com

The RX 6950 XT had an average framerate of 106 FPS during the testing at 1440p, whereas the RX 6800 XT had a framerate of 88 FPS as an average over ten games. This result cements the 6800 XT about 18% slower than the other card

 

[Murphy]

I don't think the 6900/50XT is that much faster than 6800XT or 7800XT is likely to be, plus the 7800XT is newer tech, will be more efficient and will likely age better than the older gen cards which are around the same performance bracket. I'd also think 7800XT will be a bit better in ray tracing if that matters to you.

Price will come into it of course when all the dust has settled, you might come to a different conclusion overall though. But for now, I'm pleased I held off as the the price of the 6000 carda are only going to go one way now.

I don't think the 6900/50XT is that close to the 6800XT, I've not poured over multiple benchmarks but if they were that close there wouldn't have been a £300+ difference between MSRP's and even now a £100+ difference.

I do agree with the newer, age better, slightly better RT and all that but like i said i was expecting slightly better performance, something closer to the 6950XT/4070TI than the 6800XT/4070.

RX 6950 XT Vs RX 6800 XT [We Performed 10 Benchmarks] - Tech4Gamers

In the RX 6950 XT Vs RX 6800 XT comparison, I will weigh the performance difference between the mentioned GPUs.

tech4gamers.com

The RX 6950 XT had an average framerate of 106 FPS during the testing at 1440p, whereas the RX 6800 XT had a framerate of 88 FPS as an average over ten games. This result cements the 6800 XT about 18% slower than the other card

Nice one, and my guess is that's largely replicated across other reviews. Seeing as estimates put it at around 10% faster than a 6800 XT that puts it roughly in the middle of the 6950/80 XT, probably on par with the 6900XT, about 10% slower than a 4070 Ti.

I guess we'll have to wait for third party reviews but i was hoping for 4070 Ti levels of performance in the £550-600 price range. (and before you say it no I'm not talking about including RT, you don't buy Radeon if you care about RT IMO).

 

[ALXAndy]

Well it won't be far off of a 4070ti I don't think. And tbh? even if it is at its targeted audience resolution of 1440p it won't make much of a difference.

But yeah, I reckon that is why they have left a big gap between the 7800XT and the 7900XT. Basically because they probably have a massive overstock of 6950XT still left and don't want to make it so that no one bothers buying them.

TBH they could even still be making 6000 series cards for all I know. The wafers get cheaper over time, and the new wafers are very expensive with higher fail rates. There are still a ton of 6700XT, 6750XT and lower in stock going all the way down to about £200. What is the point in just making more to sit on shelves and gather dust?

I know people get blind sided by new model numbers, but if FSR3 and their version of frame gen really is all that why would you want to pay out the bum for a model number? Most of the channels I watch on YT are recommending the 6950XT, 6800XT and 6700XT now any way, with basically no Nvidia recommendations at all.

 

[KompuKare]

MLID says there will be an unofficial price drop for the RTX4060TI 16GB to match the RX7700XT 12GB. The problem is that the latter will come bundled with Starfield Premium for the next few weeks and the RTX4060TI comes only with a Overwatch 2 Battlepass.

Also many people forget the RTX4060TI is PCI-E 8X card,so on older PCI-E 3.0 systems there is a slightly performance drop. The AMD cards have a full speed PCI-E data link.

If Nvidia wanted to make a proper move they would replace the RTX4060TI 8GB with the RTX4060TI 16GB. They did this when the R9 380 4GB released,and the GTX960 2GB essentially replaced the GTX960 4GB.

I do wonder if Nvidia will bundle Phantom Liberty with some cards? I am surprised they don't bundle the Cyberpunk 2077 and Phantom Liberty bundle for their more expensive cards! Dropping the price of the RTX4070 12GB and including the full game might be enough to counter the RX7800XT.

But only with the 4090 and maybe the 4080. With anything below that the Cyberpunk 2077 tech demo is mostly a slideshow at full path tracing - even with fake frames!

Nvidia are very sly with their more VRAM option on the 4060 Ti: a card too slow to have much longevity so no danger of the buyers not upgrading sooner. Totally unlike the 8GB 3070 Ti, or even the 10GB 3080.

Technically, they are offering buyers a high VRAM options they have just made sure it is mostly pointless!

 

[Harlequin]

Fort Sollis , a 4090 doesn't even get 60 fps average at 4k

 

[Murphy]

...but if FSR3 and their version of frame gen really is all that why would you want to pay out the bum for a model number? ....

For me i couldn't care less about all this upscaling stuff irregardless of who's doing it, upscaling is something consoles do not PCs IMO.

 

[muzzydark]

Do we have an idea about the stock landing here? Models pricing stock levels etc

 

[Joxeon]

Do we have an idea about the stock landing here? Models pricing stock levels etc

£480 would be the price for base models looking at the £/$ conversion, stock will probably start landing next week so i'm sure gibbo will have an update closer to release.

 

[Jimbo]

Would a 7800XT be able to drive a 5120x1440 Resolution @ 120/240hz? I ask because on my Samsung Oled G9 im using a 5700XT and playing Baldours gate3 and its not good at all. 5700XT can only do 60hz at that res. On my main pc i use a 55" LG CX Oled 3840x2160 @ 120hz on my 4090 FE and its glorious. I know you will say game on the G9 with the 4090 but i mostly prefer couch gaming. I could share a display port cable to the G9 from the 4090 PC and still use HDMI to the CX because they are in the same room. But the 7800XT has me interested, im out at over £500 though.

 

[Grim5]

The Sapphire Pulse, having watched a lot of reviews on all sorts of cards these last two years everyone seems to like the Pulse, they are well built with a capable cooler, a good sense no frills inexpensive card.

What happens to the 4060? is that now going to be $199 or is it unlaunched?

Frankly the 4060Ti 8GB needs to be unlaunched and the 4060Ti 16GB to take its place at $299, the 8GB version is just a waste of sand.

Then the 7600 is also a waste of sand, get rid of it and launch a proper $299 7600xt

 

[Grim5]

Fort Sollis , a 4090 doesn't even get 60 fps average at 4k

It's using UE 5's lumen again - ray traced global illumination and reflection with no hardware acceleration support

Basically epic games ****** up real bad, they tried so hard to be special when they decided they were gonna put Ray tracing into their game engine and that they would do it without hardware support, so it would run the same for everyone- aka run like ****


It's not even surprising anymore, any unreal engine game that uses Lumen is going to run like ******* until epic games add hardware acceleration support


And consoles are not immune. Immortals of Avuem runs at 436p resolution on Xbox and Fort Solis runs at 700p on all consoles.

 

[Joxeon]

Same as last gen IMO, Nvidia wins again at fastest evaaaah GPU, AMD has the better 80, 70 and 60 level cards with the fine wine and VRAM (how's those 8GB and 10GB cards looking now?), and all their bottom end cards are better as well.

Not reflected in MS or sales, but that doesn't matter to me.

3080 is still holding up pretty well tbh.

 

[Rik1254]

Would a 7800XT be able to drive a 5120x1440 Resolution @ 120/240hz? I ask because on my Samsung Oled G9 im using a 5700XT and playing Baldours gate3 and its not good at all. 5700XT can only do 60hz at that res. On my main pc i use a 55" LG CX Oled 3840x2160 @ 120hz on my 4090 FE and its glorious. I know you will say game on the G9 with the 4090 but i mostly prefer couch gaming. I could share a display port cable to the G9 from the 4090 PC and still use HDMI to the CX because they are in the same room. But the 7800XT has me interested, im out at over £500 though.

Given the "benchmarks" only state 1440p, it's probably safe to assume they mean 2560x1440 (even the footnotes only say 1440p). If that is the case, the G9 would have double the pixels, so (and it's not strictly a linear scale, different games render "out of focus" elements differently) it can be assumed that it will get half of the performance like for like.

I'd lean more towards 4k performance figures rather than 1440p for that monitor, and this card looks like it barely provides 120fps at 1440p based on what we know so far.

It would entirely depend on the game and settings though.

 

[JediFragger]

Would a 7800XT be able to drive a 5120x1440 Resolution @ 120/240hz? I ask because on my Samsung Oled G9 im using a 5700XT and playing Baldours gate3 and its not good at all.

IMO m8 go look at the 6800XT benchmarks for super-wide, there are some out there. It is quite a harsh resolution iirc though, 7.3m pixels-ish?

edit - Yup near 4k, 7.37mill

 

[random_matt]

7800 XT the best card to buy this gen considering the price (still bad obviously). The 4070 will still sell more though.

 

[random_matt]

Probably £549 for the top models.

 

[Rik1254]

Probably £549 for the top models.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the MBA and a small selection of low stock AIB options are launched at RRP and the rest start at £549. At least until the Starfield promo ends.

If I picked up one thing during my time in retail, free items aren’t really free.

 

[Apex]

RX 6950 XT Vs RX 6800 XT [We Performed 10 Benchmarks] - Tech4Gamers

In the RX 6950 XT Vs RX 6800 XT comparison, I will weigh the performance difference between the mentioned GPUs.

tech4gamers.com

The RX 6950 XT had an average framerate of 106 FPS during the testing at 1440p, whereas the RX 6800 XT had a framerate of 88 FPS as an average over ten games. This result cements the 6800 XT about 18% slower than the other card

Bit more than I thought, ive seen others around 11%, but if the 7800XT is going to sit between 6800XT and 6950XT, i'll take the newer tech and efficiency.

As I said I looked at 6800/90/95XT and I'm glad I waited.

Choices for me would be 7800XT or go big and get 7900XT @ £700.

But we haven't seen any real benchmarks yet.