Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?

That Cotard thing is interesting.

You also could say that someone suffering from it demonstrates (thinly) how the evolutionary process gives rise to intelligence or instinct. I mean, if you're suffering from a delusion which means you don't feel the need to eat, then you're eventually going to die (of course, regardless of whether you've had offspring, that's not necessarily an evolutionary cul-de-sac because that applies to whole species I believe). Luckier people have the experience of reality whereby they feel an instinctual need to eat, and this governs their actions, they eat they survive. Arguably, both minds are delusional, it just so happens that one delusion is more helpful to aiding survival than the other one. I think in this way we give more credence than we should to the idea of intelligence or instinct as being something that is beyond the biological mechanisms which houses it - it's not, in a way it's a delusion propogated onto us by our brains/bodies, it's a way of processing and experiencing reality which happens to aid survival (or not, as the case might be). I'm sure the reality experienced by a cotard sufferer is as truthful to them as the reality experienced by anyone.


It raises the interesting question of whether we have evolved to have a relatively deceptional view of reality, across the board. Knowing the whole nasty truth is often pretty unhelpful motivator for getting out of bed in the morning, what else are we shielding from ourselves? If we are programmed to see helpful patterns and symmetries throughout the universe, then it could be a possibility that we're processing this information we receive from the world around us in a very limited way which might appeal to our senses, convictions and intuition but may not exactly be the truth of matters. I mean, we've already discovered the space-time has 4 dimensional curvature. We've encountered limits, I'm sure of it, and arrived at understandings but processed them in ways that our senses can sometimes barely handle.

Sounds like an advertisment for a shroom party. I guess it is an interesting proposition that what we view as solid physical evidence could well be skewed by our perception given that we are such fragile, but adaptive creatures.
 
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Aye the same as whether there is a creator. It may be the case but there is no reason for it to be. Either way it doesn't make a difference to me and I can't test for it, so may as well stop worrying and get on with enjoying life.

Depends what you enjoy or worry about. Right now I find worrying about this stuff to be an enjoyable distraction from the bigger worry of living my life. Am I banned yet? I need that favour badly.
 
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Reported. You're coward Angilion. If you wish to say the same thing to my face please arrange to meet me.

Reported for what? You do know that the mods take a dim view of having their time wasted by the same reporter, don't you?

This is now at least the third time that your defence has resorted to "Come and meet me and I will beat you up," which is both hilarious and childish.

I don't think you're a troll - I don't think you're intelligent or resourceful enough as your posts demonstrate - even though the eyes closed/hands over ears approach you adopt would suggest so.

Can you please answer my earlier question about why you now have such a unshakeable faith when you were previously an atheist. I think the frame of reference would explain a great deal to almost everyone in this thread other than kedge, craterloads, kamwah and Ringo.

fake edit : please also report me for reasons you haven't fully thought through.
 
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Reported. You're coward Angilion. If you wish to say the same thing to my face please arrange to meet me.

Jason2

Why did you become a Christian, what led you to Jesus?

What testimony has happened in your life which continues to refresh your faith?

Even if you managed to debunk Evolution now, what sort of witness do you think your behaviour has demonstrated?

Are you trying to challenge Evolution or lead people to Jesus?
 
Well, this thread turned out well. Now we have two opposing factions simply insulting and/or threatening each other.

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

Gautama Siddharta.
 
Gaiz he is closed book. He says something, you counter it and before you have he has already thought if and he is already thinking of a new question unrelated to the first. It is impossible to discuss anything in these terms. Because he can't answer what you ask nor will he flex his view point. It is absolutely fixed.

He didn't even answer why he believes the bible to be the correct account despite the overwhelming foibles in Genesis. That should be easy to answer.

I'd say save your typing for another day because it is wasted upon these guys.

What he doesn't understand is DNA. And DNA mutation. How this can happen internally or via external source. For example how DNA is fragile and can be altered relatively easily causing physical change.

Read some sources

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/mutations_05

Sadly Jason isn't trying to learn through debate but block any debate by ignoring a question and instead posting a line from Genesis - which is confirmed to be inaccurate.
 
I cannot believe Jason2 is trolling, it would be quite a lot of effort and what would be the point.

Maybe he's getting so defensive because he's slowly becoming atheist himself :)
 
I think most people are just pointing out the fact you're telling lies Jason, A certain quote has come up multiple times

No way fella. You, like all the other atheists on this thread, emphatically declared that God does not exist.

So you know, DONT TELL LIES JASON! ITS NAUGHTY.

We don't mind the fact you believe in God, I mean its your life. But please dont go talking crap ontop of that.
 
Well, this thread turned out well. Now we have two opposing factions simply insulting and/or threatening each other.

Does it ever turn out any other way, ignoring the internet for a second? Isn't the entire premise Them vs Us and all that's left is for people to work out which of the two camps they fit within? This isn't a debate where you can prove or 'win' anything because both sides retreat to their standards (God! vs Science!)

I'm actually both surprised and understanding of the fact that you didn't get involved in this one (even when others tried to drag you in) and if this were a debate - which it was not, let's be clear - it would have been worse for not having had your input.

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

Gautama Siddharta.

I like that. I like that a lot and have never read it before so thank you.

Will fire you an email later :)
 
Just interested what you think about the scientists theory that all life came from the same place and how it doesn't really make us special; just a stage in evolution.

As you go from species to species, apparantly our DNA code is 60% that of a chicken, up to 99% of a chimp.

BTW I'm athiest but I am jealous of religious folk and their beliefs of happy endings. I'm not being patronising, I genuinely am.

Sir Francis Crick one of the co-founders of DNA and a Nobel peace price winner is famously quoted as believing in Transpermia/Panspermia .

He concluded that Transpermia was unlikely due to the lack of scientific knowledge, but that has been proven more then likely a possibility now.

Directed Panspermia is another thing indeed, but i believe that it is more then likely a possibility. This theory he proposed was that an intellectual species from outside Earth brought life to the planet.

Both of the above in my opinion is more likely then the luck of correct evolution.
 
Do you? Because for someone who was previously so unaware of Evolution you seemed to have suddenly become knowledgable. :)

The Cambrian explosion doesn't explain the process of evolution. It just shows how little data there actually is for it.

What is your opinion on the Cambrian explosion and the appearance of the majority of all animal types in the fossil record? Surely the data we have only covers the end of the branches of Darwins tree and the rest is purely inference.

Maybe someone could also explain why reproduction is key, given that reproduction produces more mouths to feed and therefore makes survival more difficult.
 
Sir Francis Crick one of the co-founders of DNA and a Nobel peace price winner is famously quoted as believing in Transpermia/Panspermia .

He concluded that Transpermia was unlikely due to the lack of scientific knowledge, but that has been proven more then likely a possibility now.

Directed Panspermia is another thing indeed, but i believe that it is more then likely a possibility. This theory he proposed was that an intellectual species from outside Earth brought life to the planet.

Both of the above in my opinion is more likely then the luck of correct evolution.

Okay. But this kind of poses another question similar to the original, does it not?
 
Maybe someone could also explain why reproduction is key, given that reproduction produces more mouths to feed and therefore makes survival more difficult.

Reproduction and resources are both important. Obviously without the former nothing would get pass the first 'generation', but more than that - I suspect 'life' wouldn't even get past the chemical reaction stage, the reaction wouldn't continue to propogate itself by means of replication. So it would just produce organic chemical compounds.

With varying resources, populations might fluctuate, doesn't necessarily mean the entire species gets wiped out, although this does happen (evolutionary cul-de-sacs, species can't adapt to compensate for this).

Look at how energy is transferred in food chains and at population fluctuations.
 
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