Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The sunk costs of oil refineries and oil and gas extraction are massive,yet I don't see people showing pity for British Gas or BP when the gas or petrol prices go up(or the fact BP had to pay $20 billion for the Deepwater Horizon disaster) and they employ over 40000 people here. All you see is people moaning when the government increases any form of taxes even when our national debt is £1.8 trilion pounds. Not sure what enriching AMD,Intel or Nvidia who are located in the US and mostly employing people outside this country is really doing to help us,let alone reducing our debt and I don't seem them creating 1000s of jobs in our country. Well at least JHH gets a new expensive designer leather jacket and Lisa Su probably can buy an extra suit or two. Doubt any of those are made here too.

 

[Griffildur]

The sunk costs of oil refineries and oil and gas extraction are massive,yet I don't see people showing pity for British Gas or BP when the gas or petrol prices go up(or the fact BP had to pay $20 billion for the Deepwater Horizon disaster). All you see is people moaning when the government increases any form of taxes even when our national debt is £1.8 trilion pounds. Not sure what enriching AMD,Intel or Nvidia who are located in the US and mostly employ people outside this country is really helping us,let alone reducing our debt and I don't seem them creating 1000s of jobs in our country. Well at least JHH gets a new expensive designer leather jacket and Lisa Su probably can buy an extra suit or two. Doubt any of those are made here too.

well, we can discuss this point further when we have a non-US company joining the competition in this field. Until then there's nothing more to say.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

well, we can discuss this point further when we have a non-US company joining the competition in this field. Until then there's nothing more to say.

No we can discuss it now when people on this forum are BEGGING to pay more for products made in another country by US countries who are hardly contribute to this countries economy.

All that money is flowing out of the country to help countries like the US and China,etc.

Yet,looking at this very forum the same people are moaning when the UK government tries to increase taxes by some way,or British companies like Unilever,BP or British Gas who employ 10s of 1000s of people in this country and actually contribute to this countries economy meaningly are demonised when they increase prices.

Do you and your mates excuse make when BP has $20 billion to cover for that oil rig disaster?? They employ nearly 30000 people in this country.

I bet the moment they increase prices for anything,it will another oil company ripping us off,right??

Or would you prefer they cut jobs here and pay for people they emply so they can make back those losses??

Yet,the same lot moan when OUR companies don't increase pay for people,etc.

This is why our manufacturing is screwed - too many people are happy to enrich foreign companies and make extreme excuses to beg and give them more money yet the same hypocrites are ready to have a go at British companies who contribute to the economy.

If you are so desperate to enrich a US company like Intel,AMD or Nvidia then I expect you have ZERO problem with taxes going up to help cover our national debt,and maintain spending on critical services.

 

[Griffildur]

No we can discuss it now when people on this forum are BEGGING to pay more for products made in another country by US countries who are hardly contribute to this countries economy.

Yet,looking at this very forum the same people are moaning when the UK government tries to increase taxes by some way,or British companies like Unilever,BP or British Gas who employ 10s of 1000s of people in this country and actually contribute to this countries economy meaningly are demonised.

This is why our manufactering is screwed - too many people are happy to enrich foreign companies and make extreme excuses to beg and give them more money yet the same hypocrites are reading to have a go at British companies who contribute.

again ... there is no company outside of US making these products. your point is dead in the water.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

No we can discuss it now when people on this forum are BEGGING to pay more for products made in another country by US countries who are hardly contribute to this countries economy.

All that money is flowing out of the country to help countries like the US and China,etc.

Yet,looking at this very forum the same people are moaning when the UK government tries to increase taxes by some way,or British companies like Unilever,BP or British Gas who employ 10s of 1000s of people in this country and actually contribute to this countries economy meaningly are demonised when they increase prices.

Do you and your mates excuse make when BP has $20 billion to cover for that oil rig disaster?? They employ nearly 30000 people in this country.

I bet the moment they increase prices for anything,it will another oil company ripping us off,right??

Or would you prefer they cut jobs here and pay for people they emply so they can make back those losses??

Yet,the same lot moan when OUR companies don't increase pay for people,etc.

This is why our manufacturing is screwed - too many people are happy to enrich foreign companies and make extreme excuses to beg and give them more money yet the same hypocrites are ready to have a go at British companies who contribute to the economy.

If you are so desperate to enrich a US company like Intel,AMD or Nvidia then I expect you have ZERO problem with taxes going up to help cover our national debt,and maintain spending on critical services.

I am more worried about enriching a US company who has no impact on my life but don't care about British companies who do,but seem desperate to justify paying as much as I can for their products but seems scared to admit whether I would do for petrol,gas or food sold by British companies

 

[Griffildur]

Putting words in my mouth is not actually acceptable.

You seem to have a hard time understanding that you cannot buy a non existent product made by a non existent British company.

Let me try one more time .... THERE IS NO EU ( let alone British ) BASED COMPANY WHICH PRODUCES GPUs. As such you cannot support that which does not exist. Yes I could go and buy a loaf of British bread but it's not going to help me run a game with decent fps ...

 

[hardkore]

Ignore

 

[flopper]

adding a extra 100$ tax dont add to the buying feels good either.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

snip

So excuse maker,will be ready to pay 2 to 3 times the amount for gas from British Gas since they employ 30000 people in this country,or are going to deflect as much as you can?? 120,000 jobs have been lost in the sector recently due to the race to the bottom in pricing.

Imagine how much tax those people pay,plus any tax and infrastructure development British Gas does in this country.

You and your mates seem so desperate to push a 2 to 3 times price increase from one 500MM2 GPU to another over six years. I mean isn't that how much a GTX570/GTX580 has gone upto Titan level,now??

You should be fine for gas to increase that much,right?? After that surely would mean better pay for all those people(and maybe if we are lucky even a bit more tax).

So how many 10s of 1000s of people do AMD,Intel or Nvidia employ in this country?? How much investment in this country do they make??

Since,I must have missed that.

I am still not understanding why you are trying to beg and pay so much for companies which really don't help our economy.

Yet,I see BP,BG,Unilever,etc all demonised on this forum??

Surely if you are happy with massive GPU prices increases,then attacking anyone who says things are getting too expensive(like some of the other posters),then I am sure YOU have ZERO issue with massive hikes in gas,electricity,petrol,etc to protect British jobs.

After all as the responsible consumers you and your mates are,you will know 10s of 1000s of jobs have been lost in the petrochemical sector in the last few years.

So,I assume you will all do your patriotic part and DEMAND higher prices at the pump,gas meter,etc to protect all those poor people's jobs,just like you DEMAND AMD,Nvidia and Intel jack up prices and poo-poo those who say otherwise since they have "costs" too.

I strangely have missed all those threads - the search function must be broken!

 

[Griffildur]

I am not sure what you're talking about to be honest, who's demanding what.

Sounds to me like you just want to vent so if that's what you are after then don't let me stop you, vent away, but do it without putting words in my mouth ...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I am not sure what you're talking about to be honest, who's demanding what.

Sounds to me like you just want to vent so if that's what you are after then don't let me stop you, vent away, but do it without putting words in my mouth ...

All I see in this thread is some people saying GPU prices have gone up and its starting to make them think twice about upgrading. Its a fair comment.

The equivalent of a second tier 500mm2 salvage GPU today is $1200(the GTX570 was the same and was $330). So that is a 3.64 times increase in USD pricing. Plus AMD has gone from $400 with the HD5870 to nearly $700 for the Fury X.

Loads of people pointed that out,and then you got the AMD/Nvidia/Intel marketing crew justifying the price increases as being "normal".

Yet,at the same time not even Intel has done that.

The cost of a 240MM2 die Core i7 980X compared to a 240MM2 die Core i7 6950X is roughtly 70% higher now than nearly 7 years ago.

A 6C/12T Intel CPU is 40% of the price today than it was 7 years ago($400 instead of a $1000).

Intel has massive sunk cost in fabs,yet don't see the same lot justifying Intel's price increases!

Intel has hardly any competition in laptop or desktop currently.

They are not normal price increases - its not matched by any other set of consumer products at ALL.

Apple fans are moaning at Apple for increasing prices a few percent.

Then you go a bunch of excuse makers making excuses saying GPUs "need" to be more expensive due to "r and d",they are "not charities" and a million other frankly retarded reasons.

Yet,you see on this very forum people moaning everytime petrol goes up,gas goes up,marmite goes,council tax goes up,etc.

If some people were so concerned about justifying massive increases in card prices as they were for paying more for petrol,gas,marmite,etc how many more jobs would be preserved in this country.

Yet for some reason,I don't see them ever doing that in any threads.

So many UK jobs are lost since no body can be bothered paying extra to keep British jobs in this country for any product. Yet the moment Intel,AMD or Nvidia increase prices its OMG this is awesome,we must pay it,is definitely fine.

Moment council tax goes up - I bet it is scummy council,another stealth tax,whilst they fire more policemen.

HM Government probably needs to hire some of these tech companies to try and justify tax increases - it would work a charm!

 

[hardkore]

Just seems like lots of people trying, justifying and defending the money they spent. Good cards the 10 series but too much dollar.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Just seems like lots of people trying, justifying and defending the money they spent. Good cards the 10 series but too much dollar.

Its not only Nvidia,AMD have been doing it too. The HD7970 they quietly did a Nvidia and Fury X was the same.

I expect Vega will be more of the same. I am sure when the same lot here say their £1500 Titan VoltaPascal XYZ Super Duper Edition is a great price,then AMD can launch their Vega Fury XT PRO edition for the bargainous price of £1299,but it might have a slightly crap cooler,since they are the bargain cheap brand,and probably they needed to sell it for £1400 so they can pay the single QC guy they employ overtime.

Then the RX680 and GTX3060 will be £400 and a GT1040 will be £200.

But remember the new cards will be solar powered so its OK.

Then like with BF1 you will find some crap console actually running the game OK on the hardware of a toaster and all we get is more console ports with tessellated bum cracks and open source wavy chest hairs needing £3000 of graphics cards to run at 29.9 FPS,and a quantum entangled CPU,so every step forward does not feel like you have been going out on the raz all weekend.

Then some modder in their bedroom will actually do a better job of making the game look better and run better,but because that will take time,people would have ****ed away a few grand by then.

I miss the 8800GT/HD4850/HD5850/GTX460 generation.

 

[hardkore]

Lol loved the tesselated bum crack quote! I have no allegiance to any manufacturer. Really couldn't give a damn and hence why I'll never buy a free sync/gsync monitor.

Best performance, price and support wins my cash. Nvidia currently too expensive, driver updates die when new cards come out but there's no denying the performance is great.

AMD just don't have anything

 

[IvanDobskey]

Wow, 9 pages of whining about prices.

The only way things are going to change is if amd get their act together.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Lol loved the tesselated bum crack quote! I have no allegiance to any manufacturer. Really couldn't give a damn and hence why I'll never buy a free sync/gsync monitor.

Best performance, price and support wins my cash. Nvidia currently too expensive, driver updates die when new cards come out but there's no denying the performance is great.

AMD just don't have anything

The problem is AMD even when they have something decent,also have a habit of clutching defeat from the jaws of victory,aka,known why THE BLOODY HECK CAN'T THEY MAKE A STOCK COOLER WHICH ACTUALLY DOES NOT THROTTLE???? No,AMD I don't call the RX480 stock cooler PREMIUM! It was frankly crap and at least from what I gathered Nvidia thought the RX480 would be faster. I get the impression AMD thought it would be too.

I predict Vega will be released,but have some issue which has escaped the diligent gaze of AMD,especially when they will be trying to try and launch Zen.

Then the pound will probably crash even more,since our idiot politicians probably will screw up something else.

£1500 Titan VoltaPascal XYZ Super Duper Edition FOUNDERS edition will be launched. It will have 20% of the GPU enabled since.....REASONS.

But in reality all cards will cost £1700+ since... REASONS according to hardware enthusiasts. JHH says he just bought a new leather jacket making company since he wants more jackets,and they need to spend more on R and D for leather jackets.

At this rate I will become an ****** Console peasant by extension. Think I will take up painting...badly instead.

 

[hardkore]

Let the rant out brother lol. Funnily enough I got a nice 55inch 4k Phillips ambilight TV last week. Xbox Scorpio by the looks of it!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Let the rant out brother lol. Funnily enough I got a nice 55inch 4k Phillips ambilight TV last week. Xbox Scorpio by the looks of it!

The worst thing is the entire XBox Scorpio will probably cost less than a GTX2070 or Vega whatever number it is,next year.

Its like with PS4 PRO,it actually uses a GPU which apparently(according to some more technical types) integrates some probable features from Vega into the GPU. So basically a console with a downclocked RX480 with more features.

It makes me wonder if the smaller Vega is basically the same GPU as in the XBox Scorpio.

 

[easyrider]

The fury was the second coming....


Then Meh!

 

[Nelly]

As above, Every other day I have a look at the 1070's and 1080's humming and hawing about it but in the end the asking price is just way to much for something i'll want to get rid of in about a years time.

Why don't you just go for a second hand 980Ti?

I wouldn't be buying a £650+ 3,440 x 1440 resolution monitor if you're not prepared to pay for one of the upper range cards to be honest.