Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU?

[Dirk Diggler]

Why do all this? This is to stop the GPU from dying while mining. Never buy a mining gpu.

First of all, thanks for confirming that it's not just the 3090 affected as you claimed in post #2515. Secondly, as I pointed out to you yesterday the 3080 that I have hits the same temperature while gaming as it does when mining. I have no intention of changing thermal pads because it's operating within specification and if there's any issues then I'll RMA the card just like anyone else would.

You ask why people change pads, then you answer your own question with more BS. They don't change the pads to prevent the card from dying, they change the pads because the card will throttle as it's designed to do regardless of mining or gaming, and when it throttle it makes less money. They risk the RMA process to make more cash, simple as that.

Your blanket statement about not buying a card used for mining is totally misplaced, not least because there are people who game with the cards and have changed the pads to improve temperature not for financial gain but for performance gain.

Pushing hardware to it's limits for gains isn't new, that's why we have water cooling kit for sale. You need to do your research properly and stop hunting for articles that support your confirmation bias.

 

[zx128k]

If that's the case then it's a design fault from Nvidia or whichever AIBs are effected. Should be able to RMA if the card it's hitting 110 in games and throttling performance.

Let's face it though Nvidia do have a lot of experience making Gpus and if they set the throttle point at 110C then they obviously believe the cards will last if VRAM is run high else they would have either set the throttle point lower or spent a bit more and used decent pads.

If your card hits high vRAM temps like 110c at stock, then try RMAing the card for a fix. Gamers it could be a matter of just monitoring the temp and being carefull overclocking. If mining is the goal then improving the cooling is the best option. Just be careful that the vRAM temp stays sane.

 

[zx128k]

First of all, thanks for confirming that it's not just the 3090 affected as you claimed in post #2515. Secondly, as I pointed out to you yesterday the 3080 that I have hits the same temperature while gaming as it does when mining. I have no intention of changing thermal pads because it's operating within specification and if there's any issues then I'll RMA the card just like anyone else would.

You ask why people change pads, then you answer your own question with more BS. They don't change the pads to prevent the card from dying, they change the pads because the card will throttle as it's designed to do regardless of mining or gaming, and when it throttle it makes less money. They risk the RMA process to make more cash, simple as that.

Your blanket statement about not buying a card used for mining is totally misplaced, not least because there are people who game with the cards and have changed the pads to improve temperature not for financial gain but for performance gain.

Pushing hardware to it's limits for gains isn't new, that's why we have water cooling kit for sale. You need to do your research properly and stop hunting for articles that support your confirmation bias.

The cooling and overclock for mining is unsafe. Confirmed from the manufactures datasheet. It results in vRAM temps becoming to high. The same overclock will be dangous if gaming as well. The temps for the vRAM will go too high. With mining you 100% will hit the temp limits on the vRAM. This can be seen with all the extra cooling that miners are adding to cards with GDDR6x in the videos. The fact one water cooled card had 104c vRAM temps when mining.

Never buy a mining card with GDDR6x vRAM. They are not worth the same as a normal second hand card. They are overclocking the vRAM for all its worth, basically to death. Changing thermal pads on a card can void warrenty. Putting a water block on a card can void warrenty. Burning your vRAM with a stupid OC, will void warrenty.

Second hand mining cards, avoid like the plague. Buy new from OCUK.

alain bator
3 months ago running for 3 weeks 24/7 my 3090 FE (except 2 hours gaming a day)... I was just looking for the nice 60°c max GPU Temp... then i download HWNFO ... and saw this continous 110°C temp ! now I need to learn how to underclock the vram. At this time I get from 115 MH/S / 285 W / 110°C to 107 MH/S / 270 W / 104°C .. with -243 MHS (GPU) / +991 MHZ (VRAM) /77% power limit / 75% min FAN ; temp limit GPU : 65°C - stabilise @55°C inside the box.

RavTokomi
3 months ago
My MSI 3080 ramps up fan speed significantly when GDDR temps hit/exceed 100C, regardless of GPU temps. Generally it hovers between 100-102 with default setting. A big problem is the typical thermal pads AIBs use cook out their silicone at those sustained temperatures and lose performance, so upgrading them for sustained high temps really helps short and long term.

My RTX 3090 leaked OIL! Thermal pad failure... 2:23 caused the memory chips to heatup and hit 112c.

Adds a fin to the back of the card. Still hits maximum of 104c. Average 91.1c.

 

[zx128k]

If that's the case then it's a design fault from Nvidia or whichever AIBs are effected. Should be able to RMA if the card it's hitting 110 in games and throttling performance.

Let's face it though Nvidia do have a lot of experience making Gpus and if they set the throttle point at 110C then they obviously believe the cards will last if VRAM is run high else they would have either set the throttle point lower or spent a bit more and used decent pads.

See overclocking as the issue. See all the videos on youtube about it. I have heard people say they can get that at stock. See RMA the card.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Never buy a mining card with GDDR6x vRAM. They are not worth the same as a normal second hand card. They are overclocking the vRAM for all its worth, basically to death.

Ok

 

[Joxeon]

Tbf people have been using GPUs for mining now for many years and there is no evidence to show mining makes cards more likely to fail above what normal gaming causes.

 

[zx128k]

Tbf people have been using GPUs for mining now for many years and there is no evidence to show mining makes cards more likely to fail above what normal gaming causes.

Now the logical flaw to this reasoning. That maybe true in the past but the evidence of above would imply you are wrong. Why go to all these extreme lenghts to cool cards and replace pads? Take the high temps distroying thermal pads not designed to work outside the normal operational range. A Video above shows the oil leaking out of one such graphics card. That is phyical damage caused by an extreme overclock. The pads leak, stop working well. This leads to temps far outside of the normal operating range and within the temp range the manufacture of the chips states is dangous in the long term. Videos of these dangous temps are provided, even for water cooled cards. Videos showing the extreme mods on cards required to pervent the cards from dying from the extreme vRAM overclocks for mining. That the thermal pads need to be replace with pads that work better with the temps outside the normal operating range. Thats this fixes the issue for many, shows their OC is too high.

 

[Joxeon]

Now the logical flaw to this reasoning. That maybe true in the past but the evidence of above would imply you are wrong. Why go to all these extreme lenghts to cool cards and replace pads? Take the high temps distroying thermal pads not designed to work outside the normal operational range. A Video above shows the oil leaking out of one such graphics card. That is phyical damage caused by an extreme overclock. The pads leak, stop working well. This leads to temps far outside of the normal operating range and within the temp range the manufacture of the chips states is dangous in the long term. Videos of these dangous temps are provided, even for water cooled cards. Videos showing the extreme mods on cards required to pervent the cards from dying from the extreme vRAM overclocks for mining. That the thermal pads need to be replace with pads that work better with the temps outside the normal operating range. Thats this fixes the issue for many, shows their OC is too high.

Really there is no need to touch the pads while the cards are in warranty. The only reason to do so is if you want to gain some extra hash rate which may come at the expense of a rejected warranty claim should the card fail anyway.

 

[zx128k]

Really there is no need to touch the pads while the cards are in warranty. The only reason to do so is if you want to gain some extra hash rate which may come at the expense of a rejected warranty claim should the card fail anyway.

The high temps can distroy the thernal pads the manufacture installed and it helps reduce the extreme high temps a mining vram OC creates. Thus, there are 100's of easy to find youtube videos about replacing the thermal pads. If you apply an extreme mining overclock to a 3080 or 3090 you have no warrenty.

Why would gamers buy these cards from miners. When we can just wait for the msrp cards to become available and leave miners to keep their cards. Hell why not buy a card from overclockers.

Buying a mining 3080/3090 is like buy a LN2 overclocked card that no longer overclocks like it should but works still at stock.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Really there is no need to touch the pads while the cards are in warranty. The only reason to do so is if you want to gain some extra hash rate which may come at the expense of a rejected warranty claim should the card fail anyway.

You're wasting your time mate, he's got himself convinced.

 

[zx128k]

Just buy your card from OCUK and let the miners take their losses.

Miner making a profit

Then they sell it to a gamer for msrp.

 

[koeiwong]

You're wasting your time mate, he's got himself convinced.

You are absolutely right, people don't need to argue on this topic, those remove the cooler to change the pads or use water block should already know the warranty risk beforehand.

At the end it is up to each owners to decide what to do with their own card.

However, I want to point out that better cooling not just benefit miners, for normal users it can help reduce fans noise. I did replace thermal paste on my old 1080ti mini, despite fans running at high speed which sound like jet engine the card still easily reached temp limit in games, after applied new thermal paste, temp down 10c and fans run much quieter.

 

[zx128k]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceHash/comments/7uv71l/wtf_mining_voids_gpu_warranty/

WTF? Mining voids GPU warranty?

I just bought several Asus ROG 1070 GTX Strix cards, but the fans failed on one of them after a couple of days... I'm going through the RMA procedure to send it back to Asus, and during the procedure the rep writes this:

"Please be advised if the unit is used for crypto currency mining this will void the warranty."

Anyone else encountered this before? Can they actually tell if the card has been mining? I was overclocking a little (+50/+600) but never let temps get above 78 or so.. until the fans failed... I saw my hash rate was down, then saw the temp on that card was 93... could have been like that for a couple hours...

[SUPPORT] ASUS is rejecting my warranty on my 1080 GPU because they claim I've used it for crypto mining

Solved!
Hello,
So for some basis I bought the card 3rd party about a month after the original buyer bought it. He upgraded almost immediately to a 1080ti.
He claimed he didn't use it on mining, and due to some comments he made about miners, I'm inclined to believe him.
He did however put a water cooler on the GPU which worked out perfectly since I was using it for VR gaming. Might be unnecessary, but I welcomed the extra cooling. Before I bought it, I called ASUS and provided serial number information and information about the water cooler and they verified it was under warranty.

I used this card for 2 years and 1 1/2 weeks ago it suddenly stopped working. Tested it in another PC and it was dead. Submitted an RMA.
After submitting an RMA the person I spoke to told me to remove the water cooler and send it in. I did.

Today I got an email rejecting the repair citing physical damage. They took a picture and sent me a red circle around the entire card.

I didn't know what that meant since there didn't appear to be any damage and called them.

Over the phone they told me that my repair was refused because I used a water cooler which voided the warranty. I sent them this site which says that I am not voiding the warranty by breaking the seal:
https://www.asus.com/us/support/Article/925/



the person I spoke with on the phone accused me of crypto mining. I assured him I was not crypto mining, I was just using it for my valve index.
He said ok, put me on hold.
Came back and told me the same thing "since you're using it for crypto mining, that does void the warranty" etc.
I had to correct him about 3 seperate times that I was using this for VR gaming, NOT crypto.

They are adamant that they will not repair my device unless I pay them $650



I sent a message to the CEO from this page: https://www.asus.com/us/support/article/787
I don't know if I can expect anything though but I feel like I'm just SOL and ASUS is a bad company.

I tried posting on their forums but I can't get past their capcha because it always says what I typed does not match their picture.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/ig1tyo/support_asus_is_rejecting_my_warranty_on_my_1080/

EVGA doesn't honor their warranty when mining on their cards

So, I'm beyond ****** right now.

I bought an EVGA 1660 for mining 6 months ago, mostly as an experiment. Getting my foot in the door so to speak. The card ran flawlessly up until now. Yesterday I SSHed into my rig to find the mining software crashed. It said it didn't detect a device. I re-installed the drivers, and on reboot I got a POST code. 6 beeps, which happens to be a GPU failure. I tried booting without the card inserted, and it booted just fine.

I thought, no big deal, I'll just put in a support ticket. Of course, I wasn't thinking and made the mistake of telling them I was mining on it. I received a reply very fast:

Thank you for reaching out to us. Unfortunately we do not support this type of use case for the cards. Here is a quick excerpt from our warrant terms.
EVGA PRODUCTS ARE NOT DESIGNED, MANUFACTURED OR INTENDED FOR (I) UNINTERRUPTED USE, OR (II) USE IN CONNECTION WITH BLOCKCHAIN PROCESSING, CRYPTOCURRENCY MINING OR SIMILAR PURPOSES.

I was under the impression that EVGA's warranty was good, guess I was wrong.

Edit: Upon looking at the warranty terms paper in the box nowhere does it say this. Did they change their warranty? Is that even legal?

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/di29w7/evga_doesnt_honor_their_warranty_when_mining_on/

What is not covered by this Limited Warranty
This Limited Warranty applies only to Products used in accordance with this Limited Warranty and EVGA's published documentation, and does not cover:

• Products that are modified outside of factory specifications and/or not in factory condition.
• Products with modification to the serial number and/or factory identification labels whether removed, relocated, falsified, defaced, damaged, altered or made illegible.
• Damages to PCB (Printed Circuit Board) whether cut, scratched, warped, bent, cracked, dented or broken.
• Any damages to the components, hardware and/or assembly of the Products including but not limited to damages caused as a result of neglect, abuse, accidents, misuse, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress (including due to uninterrupted use of the Products, or use of the Products for blockchain processing, cryptocurrency mining, or similar purposes).

https://www.evga.com/warranty/graphics-cards/

Miners have a warrenty? Also mining cards have a reduced warrenty....

MSI, the world's leading gaming brand, has recently begun slashing warranties on some of its Russian GPU products, 19 in total, to just six months, sources are saying. Apparently, Gigabyte also launched a card which only comes with 90-days of warranty in total. At the moment it seems as though this may be only affecting graphics cards made for cryptomining, but it's entirely possible that this could impact other hardware under the Nvidia or AMD brand.

https://gamerant.com/msi-reduces-some-graphics-card-warranties-cryptocurrency-mining/

Why would a gamer buy a card used for mining, if the manufacturer wont give a warrenty longer than 6 months for a mining card. Manufacturer clearly thinks the cards will die.

 

[Joxeon]

If you apply an extreme mining overclock to a 3080 or 3090 you have no warrenty.

How is Nvidia to know this though especially when you say gaming also causes hot VRAM.?

"I'll just put in a support ticket. Of course, I wasn't thinking and made the mistake of telling them I was mining on it."

This is just stupidity IMO.

 

[zx128k]

How is Nvidia to know this though especially when you say gaming also causes hot VRAM.?

"I'll just put in a support ticket. Of course, I wasn't thinking and made the mistake of telling them I was mining on it."

This is just stupidity IMO.

The mining cards have little or no warrenty because the cards run over 90c for long periods of time. Constantly. This destroys the card because its not design to be run in this manner. Its why the perfessional version of the gamer cards run with more modest clocks. They can tell as well if you mined using the card. All the thermal pads will be distroyed around the vRAM. The only cards that are designed for mining are the mining cards. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

So to end the use of gaming cards nvidia release LHR limited products so that gaming cards go to gamers. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56114508

 

[Dirk Diggler]

The mining cards have little or no warrenty because the cards run over 90c for long periods of time. Constantly. This destroys the card because its not design to be run in this manner. Its why the perfessional version of the gamer cards run with more modest clocks. They can tell as well if you mined using the card. All the thermal pads will be distroyed around the vRAM. The only cards that are designed for mining are the mining cards. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/cmp/

So to end the use of gaming cards nvidia release LHR limited products so that gaming cards go to gamers. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56114508

You really haven't got a clue. I bought a 3060ti a couple of weeks ago and it's mining like a champion. You're trying to Google-Fu as much info as you can to support your point but you're talking to people that actually own and use the hardware.

Do you even own a GPU?

 

[Cadder]

The thread title is one thing. The conversation within is another

 

[zx128k]

You really haven't got a clue. I bought a 3060ti a couple of weeks ago and it's mining like a champion. You're trying to Google-Fu as much info as you can to support your point but you're talking to people that actually own and use the hardware.

Do you even own a GPU?

3060 ti is a GDDR6, not a GDDR6x card. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/rtx-3090-fe-heat.18932825/

I think i'll leave mine as is. The memory temps are crazy, mine are up to 98C when gaming, but i'd rather not worry about its warranty status.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

3060 ti is a GDDR6, not a GDDR6x card. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/rtx-3090-fe-heat.18932825/

Christ, this is painful.

You were talking about LHR cards. Like I've said, you're relying on Google for info whereas the people you are engaging with actually own and use the hardware. The 3060ti I bought a few weeks ago is not Low Hash Rate.

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

i dont even bother looking will wait until sensible prices, hence y i took up mining, may as well do something with the vega 64, and bought n xbox series s, does me nice for time being