Anyone non-panic buying?

n111ck said:
If the tomato shortage is due to Brexit then why is Ireland affected? All you experts on the EU someone must know lol
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They aren't allowed to grow Moroccan tomatoes either. What aren't you understanding?
 
n111ck said:
So in other words Brexit is just an excuse...
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No, it is PART of the problem.

Would there be still a shortage of tomatoes without Brexit? Yes, Brexit or not, doesn't change the weather.
Would there be this kind of shortage without Brexit? Probably, probably less. It can't be more tomatoes stock with Brexit and more red tape and less buying power that's for sure.

The differences? who knows?! But Brexit certainly DOES NOT help. Since when does being a smaller fish in a bigger pond where your neighbour has so much more buying power and leverage than us help?

We all can do basic maths here.
 
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Tony Edwards said:
It is to an extent because it used to get most of their stuff passing through britain first and now it cant do that.

Ireland is a much smaller country that the UK.
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So the EU is making it harder to send food to another EU country? lol

Massive trading block cant even handle a few tomato deliveries - do they use Evri lol??
 
200sols said:
Those are not the MAIN issues of the tomato shortage, do keep up.
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The main issue doesnt have to be the main reason. If we were still in the EU that main issue wouldnt be so main would it.

I thought you lot were all. Oh there will be a bit of pain after brexit. Why are you acting all surprised? No one else is.

We even told you lot this would happen.
 
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n111ck said:
So the EU is making it harder to send food to another EU country? lol

Massive trading block cant even handle a few tomato deliveries - do they use Evri lol??
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No we are making it harder for the EU to get goods to Ireland as they can no longer freely transit through our country because in case you forgot we left the EU, the single market and the customs union so for goods to flow via the UK to Ireland they now have to go through customs and ton's of red tape twice. This was our choice not the EU's and an inevitable and predicted consequence of our governments decision to go for a hard brexit.

If Brexit isn't a significant factor in this shortage then please explain why those countries in the EU (not directly impacted by our stupidity) appear not to have shortages so bad they require rationing?
 
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Ahleckz said:
Again, Brexit isn’t the only issue but it’s making it worse.

www.theguardian.com

Spanish growers say weather, rising costs and Brexit caused UK salad shortages

Some producers point the finger at temperature shifts and others at bureaucracy and logistics
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.independent.co.uk

Ex Sainsbury’s CEO blames energy and Brexit as supermarkets ration fruit and veg

Blame game has begun as Morrison’s and Asda are rationing number of products amid soaring food prices
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Don't even need to bother with the Independent article because the Guardian one is a class bit of clown world 'journalism'....


While some large producer and export associations have put the shortages down to the cold weather in southern Spain, others have pointed the finger at the post-Brexit red tape and logistics problems that have helped to make the UK a less desirable market.
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Oh really so whose been saying what then.... let's see shall we

Coexphal, an association of more than 101 fruit and vegetable companies in Spain’s vast and productive Almería province, said the shortages had been caused by mild autumn and winter temperatures giving way to a cold snap over recent weeks.

In a statement, the association – whose members account for 70% of Almería’s fruit and vegetable exports – said tomato production was down 22% on the same period last year, cucumber production had fallen by 21%, pepper and aubergine production by 25% and courgette production by 15%.

It also said the “worrying” situation meant that its members were starting to have problems fulfilling client orders.
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So the big organisation says its problems with the weather and givens some actual % figures for the decline in production.

But don't worry we also spoke to one guy about his opinion, with no information given about and changes to production levels, who says he thinks its down to other stuff!

And lets look at the fellow who said it was 'Brexit' and see if he might just have an ulterior motive to blame the UK leaving the EU because he's salty about it costing the businesses he represents money on other goods exports.....

Well Quelle Surpise looks like we found it!!

Murcia sees "nonsense" in UK tariffs on oranges and tangerines

The professional agricultural organization ASAJA Murcia has described as "great nonsense" and "real outrage" that the United Kingdom has decided to tax clementines with a 16% tariff, other mandarins and 3.2% oranges from the European Union.



Those responsible for ASAJA Murcia consider "very serious" these tariffs that will reduce in a "very important" way the competitiveness of citrus fruits throughout Spain. In addition, London sets 0% customs on oranges and tangerines from Turkey, Morocco, South Africa and Israel.

For the Secretary General of ASAJA Murcia, Alfonso Gálvez Caravaca, "these tariffs are totally inadmissible, and are a direct consequence of Brexit, and will have disastrous consequences for the Murcian countryside, and the entire Spanish geography".

In addition, the head of ASAJA Murcia has also pointed out that "this aberrant measure taken by the United Kingdom is framed in the future trade relations between the EU and the United Kingdom, and constitutes a huge blow to our exports to the aforementioned market, which will be greatly harmed. "

"From ASAJA Murcia we understand that it is of utmost importance that the Government of the United Kingdom rectifies, because without a doubt, it will mean a great setback in exports to the aforementioned market, and without a doubt, it will allow other countries such as Egypt, Morocco or South Africa, to be more competitive with respect to our citrus fruits, in the British market, "says Gálvez Caravaca.
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https://fyh.es/murcia-ve-un-gran-di...aplicara-reino-unido-a-naranjas-y-mandarinas/







But done worry the Netherlands are in on the conspiracy as well!

Supermarkets are putting up signs that the supply of fresh fruit and veg is smaller due to the weather in southern Europe, Marc Wever of supermarkets’ organization CBL said. Some supermarkets limit how many cauliflowers, for example, each customer can buy. “That can happen locally, but it is not policy.”

“It is difficult to say how long this will last because it is very weather dependent, and that is difficult to predict. But it is no reason to panic,” Wever said. “Think of vegetables from the freezer or vegetable packages from the refrigerated shelves.”

Wilma van den Oever of the GroentenFruit Huis hopes the current situation will encourage consumers to eat more seasonally. “Think of leeks, carrots, parsnips, kale,” she said to the newspaper. Tomatoes will also soon be in season. “The harvest in the Netherlands starts again at the end of March, so more and more is becoming available gradually. “
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nltimes.nl

Avocado, tomato prices rise substantially due to weather

Cold weather in Southern Europe and empty Dutch greenhouses due to high energy bills have resulted in empty vegetable shelves in the Netherlands. Tomatoes, peppers, cauliflowers, and avocados are in short supply - and their prices have risen accordingly, the Telegraaf reports.
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Of course it might be expected that an Island archipelago of to the North East of the European mainland (which incudes the Uk and Eire) might be the worst affected by such double digit drops in production...

And of course its not even as if Spain, and any other Southern European/ North African nations actually need to drop production for their to be wider issues because countries in the North of Europe have themselves slashed their own domestic production due to the issues caused by increasing EU wide energy prices that aren't related to the UK leaving the EU!

Sweden's largest tomato grower, Nordic Greens, said it would not plant a winter crop because it could not afford the electricity.
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www.ft.com

Farmers warn of winter food shortages in Europe

Price rises across wide range of products predicted as output is cut over surging energy costs
www.ft.com www.ft.com

Other counties (like the Nethelands and the UK) have also cut back their own out of season production

The UK also gets some produce at this time of year from domestic growers and the Netherlands. But farmers in both countries have cut back on their use of greenhouses to grow winter crops due to higher electricity prices.
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www.bbc.com

Why is there a shortage of tomatoes and other fruit and vegetables in the UK?

Supply issues have led the grocers Tesco, Asda, Aldi and Morrisons to limit sales of fresh produce.
www.bbc.com


Seriously some people on here really need to take a look at themselves and stop beclowning themselves with a demonstrably silly reflex reaction to any bad news affecting the UK!
 
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200sols said:
Even when presented with an article about the exact same issue inside the EU you just resort to calling people fanatics? Also a mention of the dutch greenhouses not being heated, funny because in the brexit thread people are saying that is only happening in the UK.
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you will notice a lack of sources from the poster implying I am a 'fanatic' for using logic and sources for my argument when they often use none in their posts?

I voted to remain in the EU referendum, and I have always consistently said that.

But the shenanigans from many of the 'remainers' since has shown me that they act not out of a love for their country and /or a desire to see it thrive but rather out of their own spite and desire to see it fail and be rolled into their vision of a European technocratic super state that they believe will enforce something approaching their desired view of a top down command economy (which inevitably will turn out to be the dystopian hellhole all such efforts gravitate to)
 
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