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Stretch said:
I don’t remember being island archipelago being much of a problem in the past.
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Really .....there are countless articles, from before the UK left the EU, about disruptions to movement of goods and people between the UK and mainland Europe due to the English Channel and/or atlantic routes from southen europe being disrupted by weather or human action


Stretch said:
Why are the ferries disrupted?
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Mostly the same category reason affecting the food growth- adverse weather.


I'm going to ask again.....


Can you find me some reliable source(s) showing that the issues with current shortages in Ireland are also related to the UK leaving the EU because otherwise it looks rather like you are playing a game of whataboutery to avoid admitting a mistake.
 
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Freakbro said:
Of course they weren't, but Boris significantly lowered the bar of honesty and probity in office.
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Absolutely correct but he was initially a remainer, that jumped ship the minute he saw an opportunity. Let’s not be naive though, politicians were lying scumbags way before Brexit was ever a thing.
 
Caracus2k said:
Really .....there are countless articles, from before the UK left the EU, about disruptions to movement of goods and people between the UK and mainalmd europe due to the English Channel and/or atlantic routes from southen europe being disrupted by weather or human action




Mostly the same category reason affecting the food growth- adverse weather.


I'm going to ask again.....


Can you find me some reliable source(s) showing that the issues with current shortages in Ireland are also related to the UK leaving the EU because otherwise it looks rather like you are playing a game of whataboutery to avoid admitting a mistake.
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Your not going to get your frankly unreasonable request filled for a number of reasons.
Firstly the true split of the freight routes and what goes direct from within the Eu to the ROI and what uses the well known UK "land bridge" is unknown, at least to us.

We know in the industry that more ROI food goes directly to the ROI than used to, very little used to. But still significant amounts travel through the UK.
Many items come into the UK and then get broken down somewhat and travel to the ROI in small quantities.

However over time the volume are shifting, more direct routes to ROI are opening up. Mainly due to delays. It was previously more economic and faster to go via the UK. Now its not.
Its a somewhat older article but the impact in H1 21 can be seen here.


Secondly, useful and reliable data takes time.
Its far to early for anything except reactionary and clickbaity analysis at this point.

Anyway, I wont waste any more time.

Doobedoo said:
Absolutely correct but he was initially a remainer, that jumped ship the minute he saw an opportunity. Let’s not be naive though, politicians were lying scumbags way before Brexit was ever a thing.
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Boris was always both. He was happy to be anti and pro Eu for many many years.
Often writing contradictory things within a short period of time.
His flipping and ultimately leave support was when it became clearer to him how his want for power was best served amongst the more bonkers leavers where it was easier for him to stand out.
 
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Freakbro said:
Do you remember all the wailing and nashing of teeth by them over EU farming subsidies!

It wasn't that long ago you had arch Brexiteer @thenewoc saying UK farmers should be exposed to the full force of the free market (no subsidies, no tariffs, no import quotas or restrictions) and if they couldn't compete that was tough and they should just go under.

Big brain thinking there as usual... :rolleyes:
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Can you link to that post?
 
Caracus2k said:
Don't talk absolute ****.

It's not at all unreasonable to expect that Irish sources would be mentioning the UK leaving the EU if they knew that was a significant factor in their shortages.

Some people this forum really are a disgrace.
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Lolz
I mean I literally work in the industry.
Why are you so desperate for a certain take, I think we can guess.

There is one person here talking absolute rubbish and its frankly you.
Your asking for something basically idiotic. Either as your too dumb to understand why that doesn't exist, or your not so dumb but arguing from a position of bad faith. Its a hard call as to which right now.

AGAIN, its too early for any detailed investigation, your asking for newspaper level headlines as some kind of proof.
Its hardly unknown that the UK has forever basically acted as a land bridge to the ROI from the UK. As I posted that has reduced in impact, but its still a VERY significant route for trade from the UK to the ROI.
Go look some of it up, the volume and values. Educate yourself before demanding others provide something thats going to be basically impossible. Pathetic troll attempt.

As I posted in a detailed post earlier this is NOT mainly Brexit.
But its got Brexit elements in it.
Basically everything has, its unavoidable.

Even non EU trade has been affected by Brexit AND COVID, its simply not possible to avoid it.
Its getting FAR better, because the adults are fixing it after the dumb brexiteer government put people like Rabb in charge.

If your some Zealot who refuses to accept reality knock yourself out. Your just embarrassing yourself but if thats your want carry on.
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Lolz
I mean I literally work in the industry.
Why are you so desperate for a certain take, I think we can guess.
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Oh so we are onto appeals to your own self declared apparent authority are we?

Its really simple but ill break it down for you ....

I can read articles from sources all across Western Europe and Northern Africa that provide reasons for, and often figures detailing why, supply of some goods have been export barred to some markets, have increased in price in others and why they are in low supply in others.

So why would in be unreasonable to expect sources in the know, talking to the press, in Eire to mention the UK leaving the EU as a reason for their shortages?

But instead the sources I have read from Eire provide the same sort of reasons as pretty much the rest of the non UK related articles... that attribute the issues to adverse weather and the affects of less use of heated greenhouses across northern Europe.

If you claim to have a greater degree of knowledge than the rest of us you should find it easier to point to the relevant information!

And it shouldn't be 'hidden' from us because reasons *are* being given for issues affecting the rest of Europe and Northern Africa.



Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Your asking for something basically idiotic. Either as your too dumb to understand why that doesn't exist, or your not so dumb but arguing from a position of bad faith. Its a hard call as to which right now.
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This is absolute nonsence of the highest order the information for why some fresh produce is more expensive, export barred and or in short supply clearly does exist for every other county affected and has been reported on in relevant local press outlets.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Its hardly unknown that the UK has forever basically acted as a land bridge to the ROI from the UK.
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And it's th Britsish Isles unique geographical position in northern Europe that had been attributed by some sources as being part of the problem as there has also been some disruption to ferry shipping. I am well aware that goods from the rest of the EU heading to Eire transit through the UK.

So again this being the case...

If this was a significant issue in supply for Eire then all I am asking is :

"Is anyone with actual knowledge of what's affecting goods getting to Eire saying that the UK not being in the EU is a significant factor?"

Because you have already basically thrown your hands up in the air and said you don't know!

As I said earlier I voted remain but remainer antics since continue to show that many are not motivated by a love for their country and or a desire to see it prosper but rather a visceral hatred of it.

So basically put up or shut up.... your obfuscation won't do anymore.
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Your not going to get your frankly unreasonable request filled for a number of reasons.
Firstly the true split of the freight routes and what goes direct from within the Eu to the ROI and what uses the well known UK "land bridge" is unknown, at least to us.

We know in the industry that more ROI food goes directly to the ROI than used to, very little used to. But still significant amounts travel through the UK.
Many items come into the UK and then get broken down somewhat and travel to the ROI in small quantities.

However over time the volume are shifting, more direct routes to ROI are opening up. Mainly due to delays. It was previously more economic and faster to go via the UK. Now its not.
Its a somewhat older article but the impact in H1 21 can be seen here.


Secondly, useful and reliable data takes time.
Its far to early for anything except reactionary and clickbaity analysis at this point.

Anyway, I wont waste any more time.



Boris was always both. He was happy to be anti and pro Eu for many many years.
Often writing contradictory things within a short period of time.
His flipping and ultimately leave support was when it became clearer to him how his want for power was best served amongst the more bonkers leavers where it was easier for him to stand out.
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People can change their minds. Are you suggesting that a person once they make up their minds are not allowed to change it?
 
Caracus2k said:
Oh so we are onto appeals to your own self declared apparent authority are we?

Its really simple but ill break it down for you ....

I can read articles from sources all across Western Europe and Northern Africa that provide reasons for, and often figures detailing why, supply of some goods have been export barred to some markets, have increased in price in others and why they are in low supply in others.

So why would in be unreasonable to expect sources in the know, talking to the press ,in Ireland to mention the UK leaving Ireland as a reason for their shortages?

But instead the sources I have read from Eire provide the same sort of reasons as pretty much the rest of the non UK related articles... that attribute the issues to adverse weather and the affects of less use of heated greenhouses across northern Europe.

If you claim to have a greater degree of knowledge than the rest of us you should find it easier to point to the relevant information!

And it shouldn't be 'hidden' from us because reasons *are* being given for issues affecting the rest of Europe and Northern Africa.





This is absolute nonsence of the highest order the information for why some fresh produce is more expensive, export barred and or in short supply clearly does exist for every other county affected and has been reported on in relevant local press outlets.



And it's th Britsish Isles unique geographical position in northern Europe that had been attributed by some sources as being part of the problem as there has also been some disruption to ferry shipping. I am well aware that goods from the rest of the EU heading to Eire transit through the UK.

So again this being the case...

If this was a significant issue in supply for Eire then all I am asking is :

"Is anyone with actual knowledge of what's affecting goods getting to Eire saying that the UK not being in the EU is a significant factor?"

Because you have already basically thrown your hands up in the air and said you don't know!

As I said earlier I voted remain but remainer antics since continue to show that many are not motivated by a love for their country and or a desire to see it prosper but rather a visceral hatred of it.

So basically put up or shut up.... your obfuscation won't do anymore.
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So more heaps of pathetic.

Ive already said and Im not playing your games that the main issue is NOT Brexit.
But its partly Brexit.

Your argument again comes back to YOU think something and because no one can disprove what you think your right. Because no one has said its X then it means its not PARTLY X.
Its basically the equivalent of saying no one has written that its not aliens so it must be aliens. I'm not sure whats so hard to understand.

Again, the land bridge is known. Its not news, and whilst its declined its still a major route from the EU into the ROI. If there are supply issue for some retailers to the UK its bloody obvious to anyone with a brain its going to affect that onwards route as well.

And again its not unknown that fast trade and lots of smaller volume trade has dropped off because its basically impossible to do now.
Perishable goods suffer from this more than any others.

Again the MAIN causes are shortages, who is saying it isn't?
Brexit is not the main cause, thats why no one is talking about it.
Brexit has affected all UK trade, but particularly parts of the Ex Eu trade.

Most of the sources right now are talking about overall supply, the chain of events that have caused it, mainly weather but also the costs to produce in the more northern nations that meant they took the commercial decisions to shut down or reduce output

So all that said the supply issues are not Brexit.

What Brexit has done is made it very difficult to rush. I mean we would literally historically ring one of our hauliers and say, we will need some stuff picked up the NL. Do you have anyone there now or if not can you send someone now?. We will send you the pickup info as soon as we have confirmation from the supplier (often site codes etc) and they would say we have someone in Germany we will route them for you, or ok we can dispatch now to head across. Its somthing we would literally do semi weekly for urgent needs for customers and it happened a lot. You simply cannot do that now. The delays and impacts are too high, no international transport will do it until they have all the valid paperwork in their hands, which isn't a 5 minute job.
And this is where it DOES have impact. Historically in this type of scenario it would be far easier for purchasing professionals to start pulling in and diverting supplies. Thats how it has impacted the situation.
I fully expect it will be somewhat reduced within a week or so, because that barrier does not stick beyond that type of timescale.

So come back in a week and see if its mainly been reduced or if its got worse.

By then you may even have some more detailed reports from the ROI talking of more diversion onto ferries that directly travel from the EU to the ROI.

Again, cause NOT brexit.

If there was no impact there wuold be loads of people going but people are blaming Brexit and its nothing to do with it.
The fact only one person thinks this is the main story says it all.

Put up or shutup, haha. Christ you have a massive problem with thinking you have some kind of ability to demand things whilst doing the perfect impression of a three year old in the tescos sweets isle.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
So more heaps of pathetic.

Ive already said and Im not playing your games that the main issue is NOT Brexit.
But its partly Brexit.

Your argument again comes back to YOU think something and because no one can disprove what you think your right. Because no one has said its X then it means its not PARTLY X.
Its basically the equivalent of saying no one has written that its not aliens so it must be aliens. I'm not sure whats so hard to understand.

Again, the land bridge is known. Its not news, and whilst its declined its still a major route from the EU into the ROI. If there are supply issue for some retailers to the UK its bloody obvious to anyone with a brain its going to affect that onwards route as well.

And again its not unknown that fast trade and lots of smaller volume trade has dropped off because its basically impossible to do now.
Perishable goods suffer from this more than any others.

Again the MAIN causes are shortages, who is saying it isn't?
Brexit is not the main cause, thats why no one is talking about it.
Brexit has affected all UK trade, but particularly parts of the Ex Eu trade.

Most of the sources right now are talking about overall supply, the chain of events that have caused it, mainly weather but also the costs to produce in the more northern nations that meant they took the commercial decisions to shut down or reduce output

So all that said the supply issues are not Brexit.

What Brexit has done is made it very difficult to rush. I mean we would literally historically ring one of our hauliers and say, we will need some stuff picked up the NL. Do you have anyone there now or if not can you send someone now?. We will send you the pickup info as soon as we have confirmation from the supplier (often site codes etc) and they would say we have someone in Germany we will route them for you, or ok we can dispatch now to head across. Its somthing we would literally do semi weekly for urgent needs for customers and it happened a lot. You simply cannot do that now. The delays and impacts are too high, no international transport will do it until they have all the valid paperwork in their hands, which isn't a 5 minute job.
And this is where it DOES have impact. Historically in this type of scenario it would be far easier for purchasing professionals to start pulling in and diverting supplies. Thats how it has impacted the situation.
I fully expect it will be somewhat reduced within a week or so, because that barrier does not stick beyond that type of timescale.

So come back in a week and see if its mainly been reduced or if its got worse.

By then you may even have some more detailed reports from the ROI talking of more diversion onto ferries that directly travel from the EU to the ROI.

Again, cause NOT brexit.

If there was no impact there wuold be loads of people going but people are blaming Brexit and its nothing to do with it.
The fact only one person thinks this is the main story says it all.

Put up or shutup, haha. Christ you have a massive problem with thinking you have some kind of ability to demand things whilst doing the perfect impression of a three year old in the tescos sweets isle.
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Your pathetic dance around the facts won't do anymore and I am sure is transparent to many even here,

Many have been quick to blame the UK leaving the EU as being either the most significant cause for the current shortages **in the UK** or at least a significant contributor to the shortages.

If this was the case also in Eire it would be being mentioned by sources in their industry because they would know whether the UK being out of the EU was a significant factor affecting their current issues.


And it's not as if we are not being provided with reasons for the issues in Ireland . Quite the contrary they are providing explanations but none that I have seen yet that fit your narrative
 
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Caracus2k said:
And it's not as if we are not being provided with reasons for the issues in Ireland . Quite the contrary they are providing explanations but none that I have seen yet that fit your narrative
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Well they actually have provided reasons but people on OCUK are shouting brexit. Who to believe...
 
Raw white cabbage is a good substitute for lettuce.

Dictionary definition of salad is a mixture of raw and cooked lettuce served cold. Doesn’t state that has to have lettuce or tomatoes.

Get a jar of sliced peppers from B&M etc or Asian supermarket as much cheaper than supermarkets.
 
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