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@Gibbo Aorus X570 ITX in stock on the 7th for next day delivery, so Tuesday delivery ?... cheers
Aorus/Gigabyte X570 - Buildzoid Ripple tests with AORUS & ASUS
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Yea i can wait a few months if i need too. I guess we will all find out next week
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@Darujhistan
Price gouge ... Have you not read what reps in this and other threads have mentioned along with AMD , asmedia etc . PCIe 4 is expensive to implement first and foremost . B550 could be cheaper like Gaming X compared to Aorus line up by dropping PCIe 4.0 connections , only has 2 vs 4/6 of other boards .
And then fewer VRMs will drop the price , though they will be higher then current b450s.
Then you factor in EVERYTHING in the PC world is bought in dollars.. current ££ to $$ is pants so naturally wellt be paying more then we should and we normally always pay over the top ...
The design an execution of the Aorus B450 and x570 itx is like a ford focus to a BWM M3. Both get you to a destination. One is just built better, goes faster and it's engine is built to handle more power
@Plec .. your mobo again
Price gouge ... Have you not read what reps in this and other threads have mentioned along with AMD , asmedia etc . PCIe 4 is expensive to implement first and foremost . B550 could be cheaper like Gaming X compared to Aorus line up by dropping PCIe 4.0 connections , only has 2 vs 4/6 of other boards .
And then fewer VRMs will drop the price , though they will be higher then current b450s.
Then you factor in EVERYTHING in the PC world is bought in dollars.. current ££ to $$ is pants so naturally wellt be paying more then we should and we normally always pay over the top ...
The design an execution of the Aorus B450 and x570 itx is like a ford focus to a BWM M3. Both get you to a destination. One is just built better, goes faster and it's engine is built to handle more power
@Plec .. your mobo again
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@Darujhistan
Price gouge ... Have you not read what reps in this and other threads have mentioned along with AMD , asmedia etc . PCIe 4 is expensive to implement first and foremost . B550 could be cheaper like Gaming X compared to Aorus line up by dropping PCIe 4.0 connections , only has 2 vs 4/6 of other boards .
And then fewer VRMs will drop the price , though they will be higher then current b450s.
Then you factor in EVERYTHING in the PC world is bought in dollars.. current ££ to $$ is pants so naturally wellt be paying more then we should and we normally always pay over the top ...
The design an execution of the Aorus B450 and x570 itx is like a ford focus to a BWM M3. Both get you to a destination. One is just built better, goes faster and it's engine is built to handle more power
@Plec .. your mobo again
Yeah, I've read it and still think its gouging, companies will tell you anything to justify obscene pricing. But if people want to overpay for new tech on release then that's up to them.
Back, and totally ****ed. The cleverest trick the devil pulled wasn't convincing people he doesn't exist - it was inventing aviation!!!
Quickly browsed what i've missed - not much from the looks apart from predictable memory bumping/and zero stock of decent priced sticks. Crucial E-die still an OK'ish price -at time of typing.
But, if i can't get 'all my ducks in a row' (substitute ducks for 'hand holding' over the finish line) then i'm not gong to be around at launch as 'pessimistically' predicted.
**Although, @tamzzy and i had pretty much talked ourselves into waiting for reviews, price drops, maturing AGESA etc.. @tamzzy's view may have changed - but anonymous bumper cars and memory **** taking may have refocused his resolve to wait?
The Pro - is still the standout board for my needs. The PBO update you posted @orbitalwalsh looks interesting - it appears they've refined the binning process even more so little point in manual OC'ing at all - so may finally relent - but will still have a play manually first.
Haven't noticed any movement on prices re 2600x/2700x retail - so #1 son may inherit the the Pro as well as the 3700X/3800x when i upgrade to Zen 3/Zen4 (I will reappropriate a work machine if he needs more ooomph in the interim - but didn't want the faff of swapping out. Or he gets a b550 on release and 3600X and i wait for zen 4 - if release date does make tail end of 2021).
Bleah - need sleep - re-reading the above I will have probably changed my mind again when i wake up...
Quickly browsed what i've missed - not much from the looks apart from predictable memory bumping/and zero stock of decent priced sticks. Crucial E-die still an OK'ish price -at time of typing.
I do really like that board - lack of fan not the only factor. Still a total waste for my needs - plus i like making components sweat but refined PBO looks to have taken this out of manual hands, to a degree. :/
But, if i can't get 'all my ducks in a row' (substitute ducks for 'hand holding' over the finish line) then i'm not gong to be around at launch as 'pessimistically' predicted.
**Although, @tamzzy and i had pretty much talked ourselves into waiting for reviews, price drops, maturing AGESA etc.. @tamzzy's view may have changed - but anonymous bumper cars and memory **** taking may have refocused his resolve to wait?
The Pro - is still the standout board for my needs. The PBO update you posted @orbitalwalsh looks interesting - it appears they've refined the binning process even more so little point in manual OC'ing at all - so may finally relent - but will still have a play manually first.
Haven't noticed any movement on prices re 2600x/2700x retail - so #1 son may inherit the the Pro as well as the 3700X/3800x when i upgrade to Zen 3/Zen4 (I will reappropriate a work machine if he needs more ooomph in the interim - but didn't want the faff of swapping out. Or he gets a b550 on release and 3600X and i wait for zen 4 - if release date does make tail end of 2021).
Bleah - need sleep - re-reading the above I will have probably changed my mind again when i wake up...
good things come to those who wait
now also in two minds about the board...apparently the strix is 2(4) phase * 70A powerstage (same as the ROG impact), vs the 6*70A of the aorus x570i.
just need to see pricing and reviews...
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@Troezar unless your going to push for 16+ cores, i'd save the cash and go with Pro or Ultra if you like the looks .
max £265 and £300 vs £380 etc
@Plec hehe, couldnt resist teasing - its damn nice board, but still wishing Gigabyte would bring back the SOC boards - picture 14 phases, dual Dimm and single PCIe 4.0 GPU slot to get max performance - would be a killer and prob cheaper to !
I'f your going Pro, I'd just sink a Zen 3 in it later on, although I dont even think you'll need to do that . Hopefully B550 turns out to be a nice treat!
@tamzzy ASUS ones are a little confusing .. Looks like they are using a Phase Multipler like IR 3599 to drive 8 TDA21472 70A in doubler mode/ Twin VRM Architecture . Most Sites all listing 4 Phases setup but not how many TDA mosfets are soldered down
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/ir3599.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a4015355cdb56a176f
max £265 and £300 vs £380 etc
@Plec hehe, couldnt resist teasing - its damn nice board, but still wishing Gigabyte would bring back the SOC boards - picture 14 phases, dual Dimm and single PCIe 4.0 GPU slot to get max performance - would be a killer and prob cheaper to !
I'f your going Pro, I'd just sink a Zen 3 in it later on, although I dont even think you'll need to do that . Hopefully B550 turns out to be a nice treat!
@tamzzy ASUS ones are a little confusing .. Looks like they are using a Phase Multipler like IR 3599 to drive 8 TDA21472 70A in doubler mode/ Twin VRM Architecture . Most Sites all listing 4 Phases setup but not how many TDA mosfets are soldered down
https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/ir3599.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a4015355cdb56a176f
@orbitalwalsh looks like pseudo-doubled 4 phase * 70A
Not true doubling per se...but if the impact got a seal of approval for 3950x then I don't see why the strix itx wouldn't cope with a 3950x too...
Now it's all about the prices
Not true doubling per se...but if the impact got a seal of approval for 3950x then I don't see why the strix itx wouldn't cope with a 3950x too...
Now it's all about the prices
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Z390 Strix I is £200 , Z390 Aorus I is £160 .
x570 Aorus is looking roughly at its max £225 so 40% more up from Z390 .
x570 Strix looking at the same basis would roughly be £280.
Believe the last impact when Pound was STRONG was £230 to looking at £320 mark ...
@orbitalwalsh yeah I'm not one to pay the Asus tax. So if it's too much I'll discount the board altogether
Very select choice of boards - would be interested in your thoughts on eventual choice (presuming you're spanking a 3900X straight out of the gates?)
Sl*t! (that got censored?)good things come to those who wait
now also in two minds about the board...apparently the strix is 2(4) phase * 70A powerstage (same as the ROG impact), vs the 6*70A of the aorus x570i.
just need to see pricing and reviews...
Yes, it's annoyingly alluring - even the Ultra looks a cut above most other boards. Although, the ASUS boards look very sleek - so some of the tax goes somewhere - their aesthetic R&D division.
The b550 treat was result of having too much time to think - plus, expected to do an impulse buy last night but on browsing i did a total 180, when looking at aggregate prices. And any Zen+ price drops that come now will be offset by MB bumps and limiting memory (i know he would be fine with 3200MHz - but want to try and get him enthused about hardware). And, i'm liking the idea of treating him to a B550 with a 3600X - possibly only £100 more for waiting 5 months. Or £200 more if i get the 3900X and give him my 8 core... (Really, it's just an excuse for me to play...
)Hoe
@Plec I'm thinking a 3800X initially, big upgrade from a 2500K, then dropping in a refreshed 16 core just for the hell of it or once the prices calm down a bit.
Those boards are overkill but it gives me options and I'm not a frequent upgrader of motherboards I'm going to make myself a comparison list of features and see what's the best option. Gigabyte seem to have upped their game, decent components, BIOS looks better and easy RMA.
Those boards are overkill but it gives me options and I'm not a frequent upgrader of motherboards
I'm going to make myself a comparison list of features and see what's the best option. Gigabyte seem to have upped their game, decent components, BIOS looks better and easy RMA.
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@tamzzy its nice to see ASUS and Gigabte both learning their lessons with lower quality releases , ASRock had caught up with Z97/170 and then kinda... lots steam . MSI been constant but seems refusal to move to Integrated Mosfets though which is a shame .
@Plec sounds a nice idea going 8 core then gifting that and treating yourself to 12 core ! come December/January that should have droppped in price with Intels 10 core offering ... heck 16 core might be driven down ! can see AMD put asking price up on the ZEN2 chips even though they cost less to produce- Profit and lack of competition for mainstream high core counts, could easily drop prices all around come intel to be cut throat
@Troezar GIgabytes BIOS is getting there , from z390 onboards new seems that make their bios chips easily remove-able.
Be interesting to see 3700x vs 3800x in BPO and manual overclocking ! specially if that extra fund could push say Master over Ultra etc - then you've got the dual 8 Pins
@Plec sounds a nice idea going 8 core then gifting that and treating yourself to 12 core ! come December/January that should have droppped in price with Intels 10 core offering ... heck 16 core might be driven down ! can see AMD put asking price up on the ZEN2 chips even though they cost less to produce- Profit and lack of competition for mainstream high core counts, could easily drop prices all around come intel to be cut throat
@Troezar GIgabytes BIOS is getting there , from z390 onboards new seems that make their bios chips easily remove-able.
Be interesting to see 3700x vs 3800x in BPO and manual overclocking ! specially if that extra fund could push say Master over Ultra etc - then you've got the dual 8 Pins
Can totally relate - it's been a long time coming, and suspect the 3800X may prove the 2500K spiritual successor (although AMD) for performance leap, longevity and bang per buck to performance ratio.
With the lengthy gaps between your upgrades - you will certainly get your pound of flesh - and as you mention, Gigabyte have produced what appears to be a quality line up of X570s, plus customer support being a big bonus if you're unlucky enough to experience a dying board within warranty. Even after warranty expiration, @GIGA-Man will usually try and assist if he can, even if it's best advice...Those boards are overkill but it gives me options and I'm not a frequent upgrader of motherboards
That's the hope - and if i did drop in a 12 core (or even stick with the 8C) - I can see me waiting for Zen 4, but would be late adoption.
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Don't think you'll be disappointed . Specially with the way PBO works with ryzen 3000. CPU 'talks to the board' to see amount of VRM and power available to push boost even more then standard * @Plec
Don't think you'll be disappointed . Specially with the way PBO works with ryzen 3000. CPU 'talks to the board' to see amount of VRM and power available to push boost even more then standard * @Plec
Fingers crossed. I think paying the extra to go to x570 may not be fully worth it at the momenr but the upgrades down the line may well be as i plan on keeping this for at least 5 year as i will probably upgrade my gpu when nvidia stop being stupid with there TI prices plus im hoping they have better specd it over the x470 boards.
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@Mensy
Thing is with ITXs , they make them quite high spec . The B450 Aorus was designed along side the Z390 and just missing 2 phases and different socket type .
MSI and Aorus ITX used better quality MOSFETs in their B450 ITX which made them better then some X470 boards, Aorus ITX is better then 90% of X470 hands down ! From MOSFET, to ram to PCB layers. ITX boards are normally used to set records so in theory, you could go nuts on the ram !
AX WiFi is nice all around but SKY, BT , Virgin etc haven't included it in current modems which is a bit of a shame though should get there in a year or two !
Thing is with ITXs , they make them quite high spec . The B450 Aorus was designed along side the Z390 and just missing 2 phases and different socket type .
MSI and Aorus ITX used better quality MOSFETs in their B450 ITX which made them better then some X470 boards, Aorus ITX is better then 90% of X470 hands down ! From MOSFET, to ram to PCB layers. ITX boards are normally used to set records so in theory, you could go nuts on the ram !
AX WiFi is nice all around but SKY, BT , Virgin etc haven't included it in current modems which is a bit of a shame though should get there in a year or two !