Aorus/Gigabyte X570 - Buildzoid Ripple tests with AORUS & ASUS

Mensy said:
Conflicting still no better off haha il just wait for the release and price of the x570 itx boards and see what i think. It has to be itx as im not replacing my case so my options are limited. If i can get a MSI B450I at £120 and these x570s are inflated to £250 -£350 ( Ive heard the Asus Rog strix x570 itx will be around £430) then i might just buy the cheaper board and save £120 and wait for the x570s to drop in price or get a x670 in a years time which shouldnt be inflated as i doubt there will be ryzen 4000 series next year unless im wrong
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I'd be surprised if the Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming launched at ~£430. How much would the Asus X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Impact then cost?

Compared with that, the Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi is looking like a bargain at the rumoured ~£220 launch price.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Mensy

Thing is with ITXs , they make them quite high spec . The B450 Aorus was designed along side the Z390 and just missing 2 phases and different socket type .
MSI and Aorus ITX used better quality MOSFETs in their B450 ITX which made them better then some X470 boards, Aorus ITX is better then 90% of X470 hands down ! From MOSFET, to ram to PCB layers. ITX boards are normally used to set records so in theory, you could go nuts on the ram !
AX WiFi is nice all around but SKY, BT , Virgin etc haven't included it in current modems which is a bit of a shame though should get there in a year or two !
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Thank you just counting down the days now lol

an0nym0us said:
I'd be surprised if the Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming launched at ~£430. How much would the Asus X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Impact then cost?

Compared with that, the Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi is looking like a bargain at the rumoured ~£220 launch price.
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Its just a rumoured price i have seen and i took it with a pinch of salt like everything until officially announced. The B450 was around £180 i think so i would imagine this might release at £300 but we shall see next week. I agree that if it is £400 the gigabyte seems a bargain but like i said all rumours, doubt il be buying the asus anyway
 
Mensy said:
Its just a rumoured price i have seen and i took it with a pinch of salt like everything until officially announced. The B450 was around £180 i think so i would imagine this might release at £300 but we shall see next week. I agree that if it is £400 the gigabyte seems a bargain but like i said all rumours, doubt il be buying the asus anyway
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Agreed. All will become clear this weekend!
 
an0nym0us said:
I'd be surprised if the Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming launched at ~£430. How much would the Asus X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Impact then cost?

Compared with that, the Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro WiFi is looking like a bargain at the rumoured ~£220 launch price.
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Im hoping I estimated it at highest ££ - but distributors are a tough nut to crack finding out rough week number they ordered to find out what £ to $ conversion rate was , £225 should be max but I can see resellers pushing the boat - fastest uptake is always launch period and best time

I can see and I hope that ASUS strix doesn't come in that high as ASUS would have really lost their way . Over last decade with launch of ROG brand they overtook Gigabyte to be largest producer of Boards, but now MSI are catching along with Gigabyte and they still have the brand power but have been offering less whilst demanding more =/

@Mensy fingers crossed - Gigabyte have come aggressive with their z390 boards and B460/Z390 ITX were cheaper then the rest so need to carry that on .

@GIGA-Man Has stated stock would be incoming on launch day for the ITX - hoping OCUK has good numbers !
 
I just need to sort out the memory now, just waiting on reviews.
Have this spare..... but B die is calling.

Samsung E-die ? never hear it mentioned.
Tried it on the Aorus B450 ITX ….straight in @3200 XMP no problem, runs well.(F40 Bios)

Part Number
K4A4G085WE-BCPB
Package
Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count
4 Gb E-die (20 nm) / 1 die
Composition
512Mb x8 (32Mb x8 x 16 banks)
Clock Frequency
1067 MHz (0.938 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays
15-15-15-36-50
Read Latencies Supported
16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T...
Supply Voltage
1.20 V
XMP Certified
1600 MHz / 16-18-18-36-54 / 1.35 V
XMP Extreme
Not programmed
SPD Revision

Come on the £200 Aorus ITX :)
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Specially with the way PBO works with ryzen 3000. CPU 'talks to the board' to see amount of VRM and power available to push boost even more then standard * @Plec ;)
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/Ahem...
Plec said:
/fingers in ears, eyes shut and starts humming...
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You forgot to add:

So, Plec's choice of the Pro (reviews pending), or its equivalent, will 'sing sweet nothings' in the ear of any 7th July Ryzen release that gets force fed into the FUGLY, fan ****ing chipset motherboard's CPU socket - so no need to consider higher end boards such as the XTREME (even if said person is stupid enough to be considering the ULTRA) :D

orbitalwalsh said:
@Plec

sorry man, couldn't resist

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32839197/
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Hehe - yeah, I concede defeat - but purely as minor difference financially with wait for b550 for son's build (hopefully).

I've dismissed the idea of the b450 altogether now, as 'little man' seemed genuinely animated when i described pro's of waiting for a b550 (main one being i would subsidise difference as i want to have a look at the boards) - it's a win win for him.

Plus, even with the inclusion of 'offset' with recent b450 BIOS releases the XFR2/PBO was a pain to setup combined with LLC - for me anyway, but in my defence I had a very short amount of time to play. Can't remember how i left my friends clock, as was on borrowed time as he lives a few hundred miles away and was done on a drive through (original build was also done on a brief rest break - fastest build i think i've ever done) but he's not complained/mentioned it - so out of sight, out of mind etc... :)
 
@Plec think B550 will sell bucket loads, specially if they can add healthy does of VRM and let Zen2 just autoclock for everyone.

Wonder if this will eat into OCUK binned and of bundles as no need for them now.. if intel can sort theirs out
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Plec think B550 will sell bucket loads, specially if they can add healthy does of VRM and let Zen2 just autoclock for everyone.

Wonder if this will eat into OCUK binned and of bundles as no need for them now.. if intel can sort theirs out
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Well if the B550's sort out/handle the PBO - then it's a no brainer.

TBH, suspect ~30% of this forum would opt for a top tier B550 over an X570 if they were given the choice on the 7th. It may even have PCIe 4 but no need for fan(?) - unless they deliberately gimp them so PCIe 4 is not included.

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Plec said:
unless they deliberately gimp them so PCIe 4 is not included.
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don't really need pcie4 for 99.999% of use cases. only really niche uses benefits from pcie4 currently.

tbh i'd be happy with a b550 with good enough vrms to run a 16c with pcie3.
i suspect it'll be pcie4 x16 to the first pci slot (ie gpu). and a pcie4 x4 to the first nvme ssd.
then a pcie4 x4 to the b550 asmedia chipset, and the chipset will run everything at pcie 3 speeds.

ie 90% of the performance of x570 for hopefully 50-75% of the cost of x570 mobos.
i'll bite (vrm dependent).


having a think through the last couple of days (and also because of car...bloody car)...there's no harm in waiting...and i might just get the extra 16gb ddr3 ram when the firesale starts on the MM. lol.
 
tamzzy said:
don't really need pcie4 for 99.999% of use cases. only really niche uses benefits from pcie4 currently.
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Agreed, but would be bonus on x16 and 1st NVMe with zero need for fan(? - assuming), when comparing to x570. But, this may interfere too much with X570's selling features (including annoying ones) - but as mentioned not critical so any flavoured release would be appealing if VRM overkill is carried over to the b550s.

But, feel it would be petty to omit PCIe 4 altogether, the PCIe 4 x16 would be a sensible addition purely for promotion and surely no need for fan...

tamzzy said:
(and also because of car...bloody car)
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Biting the pillow and going with dealer?
 
Plec said:
Agreed, but would be bonus on x16 and 1st NVMe with zero need for fan(? - assuming), when comparing to x570. But, this may interfere too much with X570's selling features (including annoying ones) - but as mentioned not critical so any flavoured release would be appealing if VRM overkill is carried over to the b550s.
But, feel it would be petty to omit PCIe 4 altogether, the PCIe 4 x16 would be a sensible addition purely for promotion and surely no need for fan...
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won't omit is my guess. ryzen 3000 has 24 pcie4 lanes by default split 16 + 4 + 4 as described above.
so 16 (gpu) + 4 (1st nvme ssd) needs nothing from the chipset - and purely cpu supplied. only the only thing the asmedia chipset needs to do is to turn the pcie4 x4 to pcie3 lanes.

Plec said:
Biting the pillow and going with dealer?
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nah. gonna take a chance with chipsaway first. if it sucks then i'd go dealer. taking a gamble with £300 basically. if it's decent then i'd have 'saved' £550...else it's £300 wasted...lol
 
@Plec @tamzzy

Key for B550 is not doing what MSI did making the B450 MSI Carbon so strong with features and VRM to hit their x470 sales.

Normally ITX is always strong due to size and think Aorus nailed it well with theirs being 4 X ir3556 50amps but MSIs 4/6x ir3555 60amps was just nuts ! As tamz has said, ATX is just a dieing breed personally .

Just need to just X570 lower end of middle tier boards In half for VRMs and done !
Have a feeling it'll still be PCIe 4.0 for Chipset , but will be limited to a second half speed m.2 or something
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Key for B550 is not doing what MSI did making the B450 MSI Carbon so strong with features and VRM to hit their x470 sales.
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yeah indeed lol. b450 carbon is an outstanding board...and again no reason to get an x470 outside of niche uses. good enough for 95% of users.

orbitalwalsh said:
Guessing you've seen X570 Strix at £342
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saw that. asus tax is strong.
tbh all the overpriced shenannigans for what is, essentially, a mainstream platform is kinda leaving a sour taste personally.
i'd love to get ryzen 3000, but it's more of a want to upgrade rather than a need to upgrade.
roll on this weekend. if the prices are ridiculous, my wallet is staying firmly shut.
 
tamzzy said:
yeah indeed lol. b450 carbon is an outstanding board...and again no reason to get an x470 outside of niche uses. good enough for 95% of users.


saw that. asus tax is strong.
tbh all the overpriced shenannigans for what is, essentially, a mainstream platform is kinda leaving a sour taste personally.
i'd love to get ryzen 3000, but it's more of a want to upgrade rather than a need to upgrade.
roll on this weekend. if the prices are ridiculous, my wallet is staying firmly shut.
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My wifi is starting to get buggered on my motherboard it keeps disconnecting and dropping out, if im gaming online i get booted loads of times because of loss of connection. Its annoying ive tried to fix it with updates uninstalls etc but no joy. i could buy a wifi usb adapter but im rocking a I5 4690k and a socket 1150 which is pretty old now so its my time to upgrade but these prices of the x570 boards are starting to put me off and thinking of just going intel with a I7 8700K and a cheaper board but if the claims are AMD is matching the 9900 then i want the AMD. i could wait for prices to drop on the x570 but i want it within the next month or so. Could just get a X470/450 and use that for a year or two and then go for a X670 which should release at a more sensible price.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Guessing you've seen X570 Strix at £342
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Yep, choked down nicely with my 'dinner to go' - luckily I had a beer to hand to clear the airways and numb the senses to the laughable tax.

I wonder if there's a hint of regret, on AMDs part, with their remit to board makers to achieve 'premium quality' parity with top tier INTEL boards, as the prices to recover costs seems to be taking a bit of the shine off release.

I realise 'don't like it, don't buy etc...' but would have been brilliant had they nailed the release in all areas. Especially, as a lot of the 'out of the box' performance and stability is coming from the CPU this time around if, as rumoured, you're only losing a few percent in overall performance if dialling down to a decent x470 - or for real 'budget bang for buck' Pro Carbon/3600X/3700X and 3200MHz memory (A compelling walk away for budget savvy).

Any concrete word on Pro/i and Ultra prices @orbitalwalsh?
 
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