Are earnings too low / living costs getting too high??

dowie said:
I'm not sure computer science degrees necessarily do become obsolete quickly, personally I think a maths degree is better but I'm a bit biased there :p

Still a good computer science curriculum no doubt introduces functional programming, object orientated programming, computer architecture, data structures, algorithms, logic, discrete mathematics, databases etc.. etc..

It doesn't necessarily matter too much which languages are used to teach say functional programming or algorithms etc.. or what database is used as it is the concepts/theory that are more important.

I don't think there is too much in terms of core subjects at undergrad that is out of date from a curriculum taught a decade or two ago compared with today.
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I might be a bit out of date - a lot of what I was taught was in the late 90s early 2000. Its likely courses, etc. have evolved since then :D
 
Dicehunter said:
One of the things that shocked me coming back to England was not just what I mentioned above but the general lack of pride in ones work.
When I worked in Germany everyone did their job and did it well with their personal life being left at home, Here it's like "yeah whatever let's talk about who we pulled and then talk about football...." and it's kind of pathetic and embarrassing to witness.
I know I'm leaving England for good at the next chance I get, It will eventually get Dickens-like in this place.
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lolwut?

You were basically working at a concentration camp then. The best days at work are when you get a chance to talk to people. I've experienced contact centre work for 3 months many many years ago and I could never work like that. Where every minute of your work life is timed. Your basically strapped into a chair with your headset on taking calls all day.

Now I work in an office where if you fancy having a gab you can. It's up to you. Also employers want employees bringing their personal lifes into the office with them. they want an inclusive working environment. where you worked would produce terrorists and serial killers.
 
MonkeyMan said:
Thing is all the teachers told us that you had to get a degree as it will be the standard entry requirement for a decent job and that became a self fulfilling prophecy so that now the most basic grade jobs can be cut off to school leavers.

Vocational training should be seen as decent alternative and the idea of bringing in experts from different fields is a good one as it opens your eyes to new opportunities. I'm not saying this is the case for all but I know a few people who work in academia and they can have quite a narrow view of career pathways, still look at it in an old fashioned view of a job for life while realistically its going to be more and more about re-training and finding new opportunities at different stages of our lives.

A degree can certainly help with the above but it shouldn't be seen as the only option, problem is now that anyone who doesn't have a degree will have a hard time of getting past a lot of recruitment screening.
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they are thinking of doing this for police officers now.

10 years ago anybody could become one, even folk with records, etc. then they focused on fitness, as apparently you need to be super fit to uphold the law. now they all have these new super fit brainless people with power and realised it's not such a great idea. they now want to phase in degrees. so in 30 years time all PO's would be highly educated trying to enforce rules on chavs.
 
ChrisD. said:
Not just thinking about it, it's coming into force later this year.
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It will be from 2020, unless some forces are starting it earlier.

Psycho Sonny said:
they are thinking of doing this for police officers now.

10 years ago anybody could become one, even folk with records, etc. then they focused on fitness, as apparently you need to be super fit to uphold the law. now they all have these new super fit brainless people with power and realised it's not such a great idea. they now want to phase in degrees. so in 30 years time all PO's would be highly educated trying to enforce rules on chavs.
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Now! This is what really rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to put aside Brexit, and the upcoming elections. This is one part where I can see the UK Government backdoor agenda, no matter who is in power they constantly rob the public to line their own pockets.

I am not a police officer but I do work for a UK police force and have for 7 years doing 2nd/3rd IT support. But I still see all the crap our officers have to put up with.

When some of my friends left school to join the police force, the starting salary was 22K, now its dropped to 18K. Now they have the cheek to make an degree compulsory to join the police force from 2020, in the same year they are raising the uni tuition fee's from 9k to 14k! So from 2020, to join the police force, you be on less money per year compared to 15 years ago, less money in your pension and entitlement compared to others who have been in the police from the 90's and finally you be in crap more student debt. While food, housing, fuel etc is going up! Great way for the UK Government to make more money while everyone else bust their backsides to make ends meet.

The UK Government cuts funding to police forces, while every few months we get internal emails

"Would you like to become a PCSO?? Volunteer 16hrs of your time!!"

Eeerr...No thanks! I'm not giving up 16hrs of my free time, unpaid to chase after skanky ass backdoor chav's because the Government don't want to invest money in the police force. So they have to ask police staff to work for free on the streets. In a time, where terrorism in at the highest level, criminals are getting worse and more out of hand. If they want people to put their lives on the line to protect and serve then they should be paying more not less. Especially in times like these.

Some of our police staff do because they want to be proper police officers. Fair play to them....but for 18k a year, not for me.

That's my rant over :)
 
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They have to do something to perpetuate the "Must go to university" lies we feed our youngsters.

Someone above mentioned self fulfilling prophecy. Nope. Its an engineered scenario.

Wouldnt suprise me if you will need a degree to work in mcdonalds before long.
 
V F said:
Wanted the majority into university with useless degrees.
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Yes but successive governments have kept up with the charade. If anything it has become far worse.

In theory Blair had a good idea and was trying to help those from disadvantaged and working class backgrounds to have more social mobility. The implementation over the years has been somewhat dubious though, in my view.
 
BuffetSlayer said:
Yes but successive governments have kept up with the charade. If anything it has become far worse.

In theory Blair had a good idea and was trying to help those from disadvantaged and working class backgrounds to have more social mobility. The implementation over the years has been somewhat dubious though, in my view.
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He put it on the path of devaluing it.
 
Uther said:
Now it's just a cash cow for the universities, and starting a generation of youngsters on a life of debt.
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True which the Government didn't want to pay for which is ironic about Blair and co. How they got theirs before pulling the ladder up
 
BuffetSlayer said:
Yes but successive governments have kept up with the charade. If anything it has become far worse.

In theory Blair had a good idea and was trying to help those from disadvantaged and working class backgrounds to have more social mobility. The implementation over the years has been somewhat dubious though, in my view.
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indeed - he's given a whole generation of people more debt

would be interesting to see the effects if anyone has the data - if we ignore the polys and various new subjects has the portion of people from working class backgrounds increased in more traditional subjects at traditional universities? And if so how much of that can be accounted for by universities themselves trying to make allowances for such students in terms of grade requirements etc...
 
Uther said:
And talking of uni...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39736310
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Scrap the fees. Let only our best and brightest go to University...

I don't care if it's elitest. Rather my tax money fund our next wonder kids than everyone and their cats going to uni and the majority coming out with nothing worthwhile and huge debt.

Not bright enough to go university? Tough. Just because you're happy to go pay for university doesn't mean you should go...

Wonder how many students never finish off paying back their student loan? Or how many don't even start!
 
"Student loans to pay for the higher fees are already going to be subject to a sharp increase in interest rates - rising from 4.6% to 6.1% from the autumn."

This is just horrendous. I have a near £70k debt, which I'll happily pay all back. But going up to 6.1% is just ridiculous.
 
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