Oh look it's humbug again with a straight jab at nvidia
A harmless bit of humour, tbh. Your post is the one that's going to annihilate this thread.
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Are new full fat Hawaii XT cards on the way ?
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A harmless bit of humour, tbh. Your post is the one that's going to annihilate this thread.
Caporegime
A harmless bit of humour, tbh. Your post is the one that's going to annihilate this thread.
Yeah as usual it's never his fault, it's never harmless humour, instead of commenting on the topic it's just lets have a dig at nvidia from him as always.
The funny thing about his post is nvidia probably have something up their sleeve as well.
Last attempt was the XGI Volari's in 2003, they couldn't quite match ATi's price/performance so died a fast death, shame really as future cards would have improved and we would have more competition today.
Then again, we the consumers only have ourselves to blame, I remember on forums after around 1998 if you even mentioned a 3DFX/SiS/PowerVR/etc card you got flamed for not having a "proper" ATi or Nvidia.
They actually had an ace up the sleeve. You have to love that. Jen-Hsun Huang just spat his coffee all over his screen
You would have to be crazy to think Nvida haven't known about this for some time.
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They actually had an ace up the sleeve. You have to love that. Jen-Hsun Huang just spat his coffee all over his screen
Actually this is an interesting point and the question is why did AMD not launch a full fat Hawaii chip in the first place. The answer is they did not need to as they were selling as many normal 290Ps and 290Xs as they could make due to the mining craze. Now sales are down due to the drop in demand from mining this gives AMD the reason to launch the full fat version.
I don't think NVidia have got anything at all, the cupboard is bare. They can not give the cards more VRAM (the Titan BE has that covered) and they can not release a more powerful GK110 as the 780ti and Titan BE are already the full fat versions.
They could knock a tenner off the Titan Z I suppose.
Soldato
Rumor is Nvidia have got 28nm Maxwell parts coming, will probably wait until AMD launch the 295X to beat the 780 Ti and Titan Black, then Nvidia will drop the Maxwell cards shortly after with plan to have the lead again.
Wandering what they brand them, the 750 Ti is Maxwell, so I guess Nvidia could use GTX 785 or GTX 790 for a high end 28nm Maxwell card?
The 8XX series monikor should be saved for 20nm imho
I think these 28nm Maxwell parts are going to be a bit of a flop for NVidia looking at the specs. As soon as I read 256bit bus I thought to myself not again.
The real weakness of the GK104 cards is not the 2gb VRAM they come with but the awful 256bit bus that bottlenecks them. A 4gb version of a GK104 card still performs badly at higher resolutions. Heck even the 384bit bus on the Titan Z is showing the strain @4K with the performance dropping right off compared to Hawaii cards.
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What, you think that Nvidia (a multi-billion dollar company, which is worth 3 times as much as AMD) doesn't have any sort of back-up or contingency?
Companies of this scale always have something close in the pipeline.
Soldato
In a couple of years, memory bottleneck will be all but eliminated when AMD and Nvidia stack chips. Bandwidth will skyrocket and in that respect make all of today's GPU memory speed irrelevant.
The Maxwell 28nm cards will likely be very fast and power efficient, but as you say with a 256 bit bus may suffer at 4K. I think the 4K market right now is about 1%, so the Maxwell cards could still appeal to gamers who are @ 1080P / 1440P.
When 4K is mainstream much much better GPU's will be available to use. Wouldn't worry about 4K much until then..
Soldato
That is true, the other reason is probably the same reason there was a 6 month gap between the GK110 in Tesla form and the first titian, that being ig chips are harder to manufacture and so you start off with lower yields. Work out the kinks over time and release and full fat product as well as giving AMD a good reason to improve the stock cooler which was the 290's main weak link.
I’m personally waiting for a High end Maxwell (the GT 750 PPW is shockingly good at 28nm given the small die) but would love a competitive AMD product to be released around the same time as that will only help competition and keep prices lower than they would otherwise.
The trouble with this post, is that if he had a dig at AMD you wouldn't mind at all because I have never seen you leap to the defence of thread when guys dig at AMD. And there is a few guys who constantly do.
Kaapstad has already answered you about the last part and I agree with him, Nvidia are very unlikely to have something up their sleeve. Just read 8packs posts.
What, you think that Nvidia (a multi-billion dollar company, which is worth 3 times as much as AMD) doesn't have any sort of back-up or contingency?
Companies of this scale always have something close in the pipeline.
Not when they're at the mercy of the chip manufacturers they don't. Besides adding more vram to a 780ti and maybe clocking it up a bit which would crucify titan black sales there's bugger all they can do until their next gpu is ready.
What, you think that Nvidia (a multi-billion dollar company, which is worth 3 times as much as AMD) doesn't have any sort of back-up or contingency?
Companies of this scale always have something close in the pipeline.
Not always.
I don't see a lot of 20nm GPUs yet and how long have we been on 28nm.?
What, you think that Nvidia (a multi-billion dollar company, which is worth 3 times as much as AMD) doesn't have any sort of back-up or contingency?
Companies of this scale always have something close in the pipeline.
Did you read 8pack's posts in this thread? I don't think anybody expected a full fat card from AMD. Their backup plan, as you call it, will be the next generation of cards, but, AMD have their next gen all ready to go.
They don't always have a backup plan either. The release of the 4xxx cards surprised them.
Arrival of the GTX790 and an across the board price drop like when the R290 first hit is quite feasible.
Soldato
Of course Nvidia have an answer, ridiculous to think otherwise tbh
. They have been one step ahead each time AMD drop a GPU..AMD dropped 7970, Nvidia answered with 680 plus
'Nvidia Titan'
then followed with 780 (Took the lead)
AMD answered with 290X
Nvidia followed with 780Ti / Titan Black. (Took the lead)
If AMD drop full fat Hawaii, Nvidia will answer for sure..
Agreed. GTX 790 (Maxwell) 28nm. Plus price drops on GTX 780 / 780 Ti.
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Caporegime
Both AMD and NVidia have got to take note of the performance @4K when they launch a new high end card even if only 1% of people are using the resolution. The point is the review sites are using 4K and buyers who want the fastest card will be swayed by the 4K results (they will also think about future proofing). A good example is the Titan Z review over at Guru3d where the 4K results make the card look even more of a joke than it is.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_z_review,23.html
Tbh 8 pack/Gibbo etc... Were all saying early last year that amd's new chip (hawaii) was ready, it still took another 6-8 months for it to surface so don't get too excited.
Nvidias answer will arrive with a gtx800 brand, they've ran out of naming variations on the 700 series. Either that or they'll see how many X's and T's they can ram at the end of a GPU name. Gtx780Ti-XXTXXTTi BE anyone?
Nvidias answer will arrive with a gtx800 brand, they've ran out of naming variations on the 700 series
. Either that or they'll see how many X's and T's they can ram at the end of a GPU name. Gtx780Ti-XXTXXTTi BE anyone?
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^ No it does not!!! I have very good 28nm GPU. I don't wanna bin again!!!
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