Are you proud to be British?

[D.P.]

What the heck are European values? If it’s hard to define values that fit broadly across a nation how can you do it across 27 nations with vastly different cultures.

What are British Values?

 

[D.P.]

I agree, but his post didn't come across that way to be honest, not sure you can really be proud of a country you've visited once, I suppose I've just got poor logic.

not sure you can be proud of anything which happened by luck and not achievement, so I would say you do indeed have poor logic.

 

[Nitefly]

not sure you can be proud of anything which happened by luck and not achievement, so I would say you do indeed have poor logic.

I think being proud is often being grateful or pleased to be associated with something. I think it’s a bit narrow to define it only in relation to direct acts of merit. It would render the common usage of the word as nonsense.

 

[Tunney]

What the heck are European values? If it’s hard to define values that fit broadly across a nation how can you do it across 27 nations with vastly different cultures.

Go live in Asia or parts of Africa for a while. You’ll soon realise what binds Europeans together: culturally Christian, big on democracy, love potatoes and bread, drink lots of alcohol, mostly use the same alphabet...

 

[albert]

Britain is definitely not great anymore and I blame our soft justice system, soft border control and all the namby pamby PC do gooders who have far too much to say ....

 

[insideline]

Am I grateful to be born in a wealthy country rather than some slum in a third world country... yes

Am I proud of this ? Lol, of course not.

Britain is definitely not great anymore and I blame our soft justice system, soft border control and all the namby pamby PC do gooders who have far too much to say ....

Daily mail reader ?

 

[Uther]

What are British Values?

Fifteen pints of Stella, a kebab and a punch up.

 

[FL630]

Fifteen pints of Stella, a kebab and a punch up.

Ironically one of those is Turkish, one is Belgian. Does that mean the only thing truly British is punching people?

 

[Uther]

Ironically one of those is Turkish, one is Belgian. Does that mean the only thing truly British is punching people?

Pretty much

 

[TallPaul1878]

Let's rephrase the question.

Do you feel ashamed to be white and British?

Or even worse....... A Christian!!!!!

 

[Trusty]

not sure you can be proud of anything which happened by luck and not achievement, so I would say you do indeed have poor logic.

Yea I must have, like Nitefly said, depends how you define proud, but I'm certainly proud of our democracy, proud we were on the correct side during WW2 etc etc

 

[rare]

What are British Values?

Broadly the same as those of Western European nations I would argue hence the questioning. The original comment seemed to want to draw a distinction between the two, but they are arguably much the same.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Proud ?

Am i ****, i am utterly ashamed to be British.

 

[D.P.]

I think being proud is often being grateful or pleased to be associated with something. I think it’s a bit narrow to define it only in relation to direct acts of merit. It would render the common usage of the word as nonsense.

In common usage, proud is in relation to one's achievements. For example, you can;t be proud of the fact you were born with 2 eyes, but you can be produd that you now weigh 60kg after a dieting for a year and dropping 25kg.

 

[D.P.]

Yea I must have, like Nitefly said, depends how you define proud, but I'm certainly proud of our democracy, proud we were on the correct side during WW2 etc etc

How have you personally ensured Britain's democracy?
Did you serve in WW2?

 

[Trusty]

Stop being pedantic and getting hung up on semantics, OP perhaps used the wrong word, everyone here knows what they mean though.

 

[D.P.]

I think some people are getting confused between pride and appreciation. I appreciate certain aspects of British history and current socioeconomic state, but I don't have pride in happening to be born in the UK, I could have been born anywhere and had nothing to do with it. Now perhaps if you restricted this to only emigrants then perhaps they could say they are proud to have chosen one country over another to move to. I also don;t see why appreciating the country where you just so happened to be born in has any real precedence over appreciating any other country on this planet.


Nationality is just a code on a passport. My kids have 2 passports, are eligible for a 3rd and in the future will potentially be able to choose a 4th nationality (and might/will revoke 1 or 2 others). I don't see why it makes any difference if they pull out their American, German or UK passports. In fact, they mix and match to make things easier going through international airports.

 

[D.P.]

Stop being pedantic and getting hung up on semantics, OP perhaps used the wrong word, everyone here knows what they mean though.

It has nothing to do with semantics. This is the core f the debate. Why do you feel proud of something you had no control over and did nothing about?

 

[Trusty]

What if the OP just changed the word from proud? Yes, you're being pedantic.

Say for example, your father saved a baby from a burning house, are you saying you can't be proud of that act on behalf of them?

 

[D.P.]

What if the OP just changed the word from proud? Yes, you're being pedantic.

Say for example, your father saved a baby from a burning house, are you saying you can't be proud of that act on behalf of them?

Nope, because it would have nothing to do with me, I didn't pick my father. I would be glad of having such a father though.