Armed gang violence. What's going on in Liverpool?

Werewolf said:
I don't think there will be any mitigating factors that would make a difference, aggravating ones on the other hand is likely to be a fair few, multiple victims, use of a (banned) weapon, sustained attack, that it happened in the girl's home, drug related (so potentially part of a gang).
My guess is it's going to be near the upper limit for the offenses, and possibly consecutive given the circumstances and the fact the judge will want to send a message that this sort of crime will get you caught and will see you inside for as long as possible.

I remember when this happened and people were saying they wouldn't catch the guy, when in reality it looks like they've got the guy and convicted him in very short order. I suspect we're also going to see a few other people facing trial soon for related offences.


As has been said the law doesn't care if you kill the person you intended to or someone else, murder just requires an intent to kill and it doesn't matter if you kill your intended victim or someone random It's happened repeatedly under similar circumstances (someone fires into a crowd/building and kills the wrong person), or when say someone has tried to poison one person and ended up killing another.
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There's no honour amongst these scum but in a case like this there would be far too much police attention so someone would have given him up. I'm sure the two £100,000 rewards helped too...
 
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potatolord said:
Yeah, i know, but we'll see.

The judge will have mitigating/ aggravating factors to consider.

I'd be amazed if the sentencing doesn't hit at least 25 years, and hoping it is way more.
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The starting point for murder with a firearm is 30 years. Add the fact the victim is a child and there are no immediately obvious mitigations (again, based on the sentencing guidelines) it's fair to say 30 is the minimum.

Uther said:
There's no honour amongst these scum but in a case like this there would be far too much police attention so someone would have given him up. I'm sure the two £100,000 rewards helped too...
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it was his (ex?) partner who went to police and provided witness information about him going back saying he'd done something. The rewards were never claimed.
 
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FBi7 said:
There is something about the conduct of the mother outside the court that doesn't sit right with me. Shouting 'Yes', smiling and saying she's 'Ecstatic'.

Not sure I'd be that chirpy if I was in her shoes. At the end of the day, her daughter's still dead.
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agree it's weird - it's small solace for her - and, why would you provide the press with sound bites/gratification, invasionary media again, like the chrs kaba family interviews.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I read his family had to be removed from the court for ranting, my god the family of that poor girl were in there, have some bloody respect even if they believe he is innocent.
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Yeah I was pretty disgusted when I read about his family shouting to appeal it. Absolutely no remorse or accepting that what he did was abhorrently wrong.
 
Werewolf said:
I remember when this happened and people were saying they wouldn't catch the guy, when in reality it looks like they've got the guy and convicted him in very short order. I suspect we're also going to see a few other people facing trial soon for related offences.
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From what I read yesterday the public was very vocal about this. Even those who would normally put up a wall of silence. A lot of those types thought he'd crossed the line so had no issues giving him up.
 
still, one principal, anonymous, witness has to be pretty concerned for their future safety .... case in point - abraham badhru case, on which there has been recent BBC podcast.
... the cost of justice, mitigating the risk on them.
 
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