Armed gang violence. What's going on in Liverpool?

VincentHanna said:
Good result, hope they've got the right man.
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Same here.

I suspect over the next few months there are probably going to be more arrests but we won't see the full extent until possibly after the trials, as if they've got the person they think was using the gun and someone who was knowingly assisting him, then they've probably got some juicy leads on to other people involved, and the resources (for once) to really go after them all.
 
It will be interesting to see sentencing on this one. Obviously it's life, but what minimum?

Murder of a child, multiple counts of attempted murder, not guilty all the way to jury decision. I'm expecting this to be 25 years minimum. Given the lack of mitigating factors, it could be more.
 
potatolord said:
It will be interesting to see sentencing on this one. Obviously it's life, but what minimum?

Murder of a child, multiple counts of attempted murder, not guilty all the way to jury decision. I'm expecting this to be 25 years minimum. Given the lack of mitigating factors, it could be more.
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Those factors alone should result in a 30 year minimum according to the sentencing guidelines.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
100% agree but I'm amazed it's murder, he didn't go there to kill her unless the law has changed or I obviously don't know the law.
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What is wrong with you? So reduce the murder charge to manslaughter? No, throw the book at him and give him the maximum sentencing at the very least.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I'll bang the saucepans once the CPS have created a workable case and presented it correctly and irrefutably.

Then of course we need a judge that isn't going to find extenuating circumstances for the man's actions.

A way to go yet I am afraid.
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I fear you are right. There's an awful lot yet to be done, and a high possibility he gets away with it.
 
There is something about the conduct of the mother outside the court that doesn't sit right with me. Shouting 'Yes', smiling and saying she's 'Ecstatic'.

Not sure I'd be that chirpy if I was in her shoes. At the end of the day, her daughter's still dead.
 
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potatolord said:
Yeah, i know, but we'll see.

The judge will have mitigating/ aggravating factors to consider.

I'd be amazed if the sentencing doesn't hit at least 25 years, and hoping it is way more.
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I don't think there will be any mitigating factors that would make a difference, aggravating ones on the other hand is likely to be a fair few, multiple victims, use of a (banned) weapon, sustained attack, that it happened in the girl's home, drug related (so potentially part of a gang).
My guess is it's going to be near the upper limit for the offenses, and possibly consecutive given the circumstances and the fact the judge will want to send a message that this sort of crime will get you caught and will see you inside for as long as possible.

I remember when this happened and people were saying they wouldn't catch the guy, when in reality it looks like they've got the guy and convicted him in very short order. I suspect we're also going to see a few other people facing trial soon for related offences.

SexyGreyFox said:
100% agree but I'm amazed it's murder, he didn't go there to kill her unless the law has changed or I obviously don't know the law.
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As has been said the law doesn't care if you kill the person you intended to or someone else, murder just requires an intent to kill and it doesn't matter if you kill your intended victim or someone random It's happened repeatedly under similar circumstances (someone fires into a crowd/building and kills the wrong person), or when say someone has tried to poison one person and ended up killing another.
 
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