Arsenal & Arsene Wenger
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I don't want Wenger to leave, because I do think he has gone for big players, and I also believe the board have failed to stump up the wages that the bigger signings expect, so lost out.
I read it in an article last season? And it would really make sense to me. But you know the fun thing? None of us know exactly what is going off behind the scenes at Arsenal, so couldn't possibly give anything other than an uninformed opinion.
I read it in an article last season? And it would really make sense to me. But you know the fun thing? None of us know exactly what is going off behind the scenes at Arsenal, so couldn't possibly give anything other than an uninformed opinion.
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And after Walcott had slept with her once, he started demanding more money.
I'd like to see Arsenal keep Wenger. I don't want to see the club I love turn into one of these manager swapsy games where we get a new guy in each season because he under achieved. Wenger has done so much for Arsenal. He has shaped them. I think people need to remember what Arsenal achieved with him. We do not need a replacement. We need to start playing properly in the first halves of games. Especially the first 15 minutes where we consistently conceed.
Tonight against Bayern we looked awful, followed by average, followed by pretty good. We need to be pretty good from the off, to the final whistle. Our goal was poor. 2 of their goals were too. The score line flattered Bayern. They out played us early on is all.
Wenger simply needs to buy in some better players I think. Every year the same. Just buy some players. Midfield we are ok, especially centrally. Defense are looking clumsy with Mertesacker at times. Sagna is more bad than good. He doesn't cross early enough and makes errors. Up front we area bit hit and miss but I think once Giroud gets a rythm going he'll be fine. Podolski is very good. We just need a couple of extra players to make Arsenal all round polished. 5th in the premiership is not the end of the world.
Tonight against Bayern we looked awful, followed by average, followed by pretty good. We need to be pretty good from the off, to the final whistle. Our goal was poor. 2 of their goals were too. The score line flattered Bayern. They out played us early on is all.
Wenger simply needs to buy in some better players I think. Every year the same. Just buy some players. Midfield we are ok, especially centrally. Defense are looking clumsy with Mertesacker at times. Sagna is more bad than good. He doesn't cross early enough and makes errors. Up front we area bit hit and miss but I think once Giroud gets a rythm going he'll be fine. Podolski is very good. We just need a couple of extra players to make Arsenal all round polished. 5th in the premiership is not the end of the world.
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Scoreline flattered Arsenal, not Bayern, we see this over and over and over again. One team turns up, destroys the other team for 20 mins, then its a mentality thing, players go into cruise control as they feel like there isnt' any competition, if they'd kept going at full pace, we'd have been destroyed. You could visibly see that they started to not counter attack as much but be happy to pass backwards to defence and waste the ball... trouble is loads of teams do this, Chelsea, Barca, Utd, and sometimes when the other team starts playing a little bit better they find it hard to go back up the gears.
This is particularly why after they made a couple of subs, the team started counter attacking better straight away, a couple of players who were back in top gear made the difference.
They had 17 shots to our 10, 6 on target to our 3, our goal was from a not great shot that clear as day went out off Podolski and was one of the biggest lapses of defensive concentration at a corner I've seen in years. There was also a little hint of Kos holding back someone who got closest to getting to the ball first. We also "battled" our way into the game after they took their foot off the gas. Ramsey flew in on a couple of people, Arteta did a two footed stamp/style tackle on someone, Sagna didn't actually make a huge amount of contact, but decided to scissor someone from behind.
We had no real quality, Walcott destroyed any free flowing football we might have had upfront, linked up with no one, did absolutely nothing.
Just watch a full game of the run before early Jan when Walcott was starting as the lone striker, our performances were absolutely dire, he is painfully awful upfront, the wide men and most of midfield couldn't link up with him because he made a single, easily defended move all night, zero variation. So after Walcott being truly woeful upfront as a lone striker, Wenger decided to try the same tactic against one of the best teams in the world.... after Walcott failed to look like a footballer against such greats as, West Brom, Reading, Wigan....
Its pure incompetance that Wenger played him as a lone striker tonight, I said EXACTLY what would happen and exactly how Walcott would play and exactly how Podolski, Wilshire and Santi would play with Walcott... I'm not magic, I didn't predict anything, I merely watched the games he previously played there and he played identically...
Wenger has one of two issues... or both, he couldn't actually see that Walcott was poor in the previous games, or as usual despite making a mistake, he doesn't learn and repeats the same mistake again. Isn't the saying, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..............
Either one of those reasons paints a disturbingly poor picture as Wenger for a manager of any team, let alone a big team in a big league.
This is particularly why after they made a couple of subs, the team started counter attacking better straight away, a couple of players who were back in top gear made the difference.
They had 17 shots to our 10, 6 on target to our 3, our goal was from a not great shot that clear as day went out off Podolski and was one of the biggest lapses of defensive concentration at a corner I've seen in years. There was also a little hint of Kos holding back someone who got closest to getting to the ball first. We also "battled" our way into the game after they took their foot off the gas. Ramsey flew in on a couple of people, Arteta did a two footed stamp/style tackle on someone, Sagna didn't actually make a huge amount of contact, but decided to scissor someone from behind.
We had no real quality, Walcott destroyed any free flowing football we might have had upfront, linked up with no one, did absolutely nothing.
Just watch a full game of the run before early Jan when Walcott was starting as the lone striker, our performances were absolutely dire, he is painfully awful upfront, the wide men and most of midfield couldn't link up with him because he made a single, easily defended move all night, zero variation. So after Walcott being truly woeful upfront as a lone striker, Wenger decided to try the same tactic against one of the best teams in the world.... after Walcott failed to look like a footballer against such greats as, West Brom, Reading, Wigan....
Its pure incompetance that Wenger played him as a lone striker tonight, I said EXACTLY what would happen and exactly how Walcott would play and exactly how Podolski, Wilshire and Santi would play with Walcott... I'm not magic, I didn't predict anything, I merely watched the games he previously played there and he played identically...
Wenger has one of two issues... or both, he couldn't actually see that Walcott was poor in the previous games, or as usual despite making a mistake, he doesn't learn and repeats the same mistake again. Isn't the saying, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..............
Either one of those reasons paints a disturbingly poor picture as Wenger for a manager of any team, let alone a big team in a big league.
What do you actually expect Walcott to do up front against one of the top teams in Europe though when he wasn't getting the service? The only service he got was long balls in the air when our defense and midfield ran out of ideas. It's easy to criticize him. I think if anything, I find myself getting more and more impatient with Giroud. He just seems to get in all the right places but not actually score. I think hopefully, he has just been unlucky and needs a good run. Santi has been quiet of late as well.
Realistically, what would a new manager actually bring? Probably years of further trophy drought as they try to change the way Arsenal have evolved into the way they play football. I'm all for a bit more direct play from Arsenal, but I don't want someone to come in and try to turn us into Stoke.
Realistically, what would a new manager actually bring? Probably years of further trophy drought as they try to change the way Arsenal have evolved into the way they play football. I'm all for a bit more direct play from Arsenal, but I don't want someone to come in and try to turn us into Stoke.
the problem with arsenal isn't Wenger, is the board, they are happy the Finance that are coming in. and wenger needs players if the board sell any good players that get offer, what can he do. board need to put money int he table and let wenger sign 7 new new players.
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Firstly I expect Walcott to MOVE. Giroud moved and got on the end of a ball, and opened himself up for a pass by making a run. Walcott didn't get the ball because he didn't make himself available to the ball. Download the game, watch Walcott every time he went for the ball, then watch Giroud, or Podolski, or Santi or Wilshire. When they aren't on the ball they move in to space.
Giroud got on the end of that run because he made the run to the near post, Walcott makes no runs like that AT ALL, by making that run Giroud gave the person with the ball, in this case Walcott an option. If Giroud stood still in the middle of the box directly next to both CB's, Walcott wouldn't have passed the ball to the near post because no one would have been there. Walcott's literally only "talent" is pace, he was faster than both cb's, therefore running across the back line should have defenders scrambling out of position to track his runs, he did not do this at any stage in the game.
So what do I expect Walcott to do against two top defenders... first and foremost do your freaking best to not stand directly next to them all the time.
Watch almost any other striker in the world and you'd see more movement, and the way to beat defenders overall through "good play" is to vary what you do throughout a game. If you make the same "run" which is, following the CB and nothing else, the CB knows where he'll be at every stage of the game, he's predictable and easy to defend against. Simply pretending to run into the box and then stopping to create a 3-4 yard space can make him available to receive a ball, or one CB reacts, goes with Walcott, and there is a hole for others to exploit.
Walcott put in one of the worst, most lazy, most pointless performances I've ever seen, and worse is, he did that with each and every performance as a lone striker when given the chance, so why did Wenger expect anything else.
What would a new manager bring, Arshavin into the team, Sagna getting the hook, Walcott being sold, Diaby and Rosicky being sold, Giroud being given a run in the team.
Lets not forget that Giroud wasn't given starts early in the season, it was Gervinho, then Giroud got a run of games, started to look good and bam, was dropped for Walcott, Giroud came back into the team, played a bunch of games in a row, got a bunch of goals, and bam, was dropped for Gervinho, then Walcott again.... its the age old Wenger game of destroying a strikers form for no reason, to let one of his favoured players have another chance, players who have had more chances than anyone else, and proved to fail repeatedly.
What else might they do, sort out the defence, tell the right back to play, just occassionally, at right back, and teach the right back to actually cross the damn ball. Sagna given the chance to cross first time... does so 1 in 100 times, he'll pee around on the ball, then eventually cross into a defender or pass backwards.
Firstly there are like three managers in the world who would try to turn a top team into Stoke, and secondly, we're failing to win trophies now, so its a better idea to just continue to not win trophies forever, rather than "risk" not winning trophies for a few years with a new manager..... where is the logic there. Risking the FACT that we won't win trophies under Wenger, for the possibility that we might not win them under someone new, in what way is this a risk, the worst case scenario is we continue to be as pointless as we are now, best case is we win trophies, the middle ground is we improve but don't win trophies.
As I've said many times, sticking with something you KNOW isn't working, for fear that the next guy might not also work is daft, because nothing would be worse. Trying to get better even if we fail to do so is a massively better option than not trying to improve at all.
Giroud got on the end of that run because he made the run to the near post, Walcott makes no runs like that AT ALL, by making that run Giroud gave the person with the ball, in this case Walcott an option. If Giroud stood still in the middle of the box directly next to both CB's, Walcott wouldn't have passed the ball to the near post because no one would have been there. Walcott's literally only "talent" is pace, he was faster than both cb's, therefore running across the back line should have defenders scrambling out of position to track his runs, he did not do this at any stage in the game.
So what do I expect Walcott to do against two top defenders... first and foremost do your freaking best to not stand directly next to them all the time.
Watch almost any other striker in the world and you'd see more movement, and the way to beat defenders overall through "good play" is to vary what you do throughout a game. If you make the same "run" which is, following the CB and nothing else, the CB knows where he'll be at every stage of the game, he's predictable and easy to defend against. Simply pretending to run into the box and then stopping to create a 3-4 yard space can make him available to receive a ball, or one CB reacts, goes with Walcott, and there is a hole for others to exploit.
Walcott put in one of the worst, most lazy, most pointless performances I've ever seen, and worse is, he did that with each and every performance as a lone striker when given the chance, so why did Wenger expect anything else.
What would a new manager bring, Arshavin into the team, Sagna getting the hook, Walcott being sold, Diaby and Rosicky being sold, Giroud being given a run in the team.
Lets not forget that Giroud wasn't given starts early in the season, it was Gervinho, then Giroud got a run of games, started to look good and bam, was dropped for Walcott, Giroud came back into the team, played a bunch of games in a row, got a bunch of goals, and bam, was dropped for Gervinho, then Walcott again.... its the age old Wenger game of destroying a strikers form for no reason, to let one of his favoured players have another chance, players who have had more chances than anyone else, and proved to fail repeatedly.
What else might they do, sort out the defence, tell the right back to play, just occassionally, at right back, and teach the right back to actually cross the damn ball. Sagna given the chance to cross first time... does so 1 in 100 times, he'll pee around on the ball, then eventually cross into a defender or pass backwards.
Firstly there are like three managers in the world who would try to turn a top team into Stoke, and secondly, we're failing to win trophies now, so its a better idea to just continue to not win trophies forever, rather than "risk" not winning trophies for a few years with a new manager..... where is the logic there. Risking the FACT that we won't win trophies under Wenger, for the possibility that we might not win them under someone new, in what way is this a risk, the worst case scenario is we continue to be as pointless as we are now, best case is we win trophies, the middle ground is we improve but don't win trophies.
As I've said many times, sticking with something you KNOW isn't working, for fear that the next guy might not also work is daft, because nothing would be worse. Trying to get better even if we fail to do so is a massively better option than not trying to improve at all.
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Rubbish, Arsenal spent every penny we've bought in on player sales in the last couple years and Wenger CHOOSES to spend our finances on massive wages rather than transfers, simple as that.
Arsenal spent £143mil last year, and just brought a profit in, you do realise that spending £80mil would put us above everyone but Spurs/Liverpool in wage spending, would make it pretty easy to get into the Europa cup most years, would increase our profits by 60mil, - the 10mil we'd lose from the champs league.
As in, its VERY easy for the board to make vastly higher profits and invest far less in the squad, and they don't do this. Arsenal could be a more profitable 6-7th place club, than the massive spending 4th placed club we've been. if the board were interested in profits alone, Wenger wouldn't be spending £143mil a year on wages(likely noticeably higher again this year).
Spurs spend 70-80mil on wages in the past several seasons, while spending higher than us in the transfer market, we spend less in transfers(overall with player sales) but spend VASTLY more in wages.
It is, and always has been entirely Wenger's choice to spend big on wages on a huge team and on a painfully expensive youth/reserve team that has produced less than any other similar set up.
Giving Wenger money to buy 7 players, would simply add 2 half decent players, and 5 rubbish players, on wages that no one else will match so can't be sold off easily... 5 more Gervinho's, Santos's, Walcott's, Squillaci's, Chamakh's.
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U see this is my problem with arsenal. wasnt it only 6 years ago arsenal were as good as barca and narrowly got beaten in the CL final against them to now become a side that no longer can compete with the best at europe but cant compete against lower league sides?
LOL we could have offered him £500k a week and he still wouldnt have stayed
. His main and major problem was that he had no faith in Wenger assembling a squad that could compete for trophies and titles etc. I mean FFS when you have Gervinho in your starting lineup, you have to wonder what the hell Wenger is playing at.As much as i hated seeing him leave, he wanted to win trophies and he wouldnt have at Arsenal so him going to Utd was the best choice he made and its paid off for him...12 pts ahead of City and pretty much odds on faves to win the EPL title. Utd still in the FA Cup and the CL whereas Arsenal are not even close to the EPL title, we got dumped out of the FA Cup by lowly Blackburn and last night was the final nail in the coffin when we got beaten by Bayern.
What annoys me immensely is that we are paying Walnut £100k a week, before he signed the new contract he was playing pretty well, since hes signed that new contract...hes gone back to being his useless self. I said it before he signed the new contract that hes only playing like a demon possessed to get that £100k a week and that once he signs it then he will resort himself to being a lazy useless fool.
....has your opinion changed on AVB?
Look who cares about AVB
...thats the second time you have asked him. This is a thread about Arsenal and Wenger so kindly keep your gravelly voiced manager out of it 'kthxbye
there's no point in me starting an AVB thread and as DM has made his feelings about AVB quite clear in the past, and mentioned redknapp in the thread (a thread bashing DM's nemesis) it's a fair question.
be interesting to see if AVB does get spurs a finish above arsenal.
be interesting to see if AVB does get spurs a finish above arsenal.
We were spanking teams for fun in 09 and narrowly lost the PL and went out of the CL stupidly(Although I'm sure had we beat Chelsea we would have been shafted just as hard as they were.). Fast forward a year we have sacked Rafael Benitez and are being beaten for fun and narrowly avoid administration and closer to relegation than anything else.
Football changes quickly, especially when you dont have the $$$ to repair the damage. We are now a 5th-10th place team, albeit under performing imo, but damage is done.
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Wouldnt be at all surprised if AVB gets Spurs to finish above us, all you have to do is keep winning and we will keep dropping points
Wouldnt be at all surprised if AVB gets Spurs to finish above us, all you have to do is keep winning and we will keep dropping points
but this is what AVB has proved to be a comparitive success at. we are now winning games that even with VDV and modric in the team, we'd have lost or drawn.
he deserves a lot of respect for that and the team set up that allows bale to shine and the way the cm is set up that lets our young defence off the hook a lot of the time.
i'm not too confident on us getting top 4 in all honesty as only bale can score atm.
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u did not watch the game did u or how arsenal went to the final in the first place by having the best defensive record in the CL as well as banging in goals playing good attractive football.
umm yes we was as good as that barca side if not better
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