Asian Gangs

No1newts · 11 Jan 2011 at 12:38

simulatorman said:
We are all awake to that fact that there are criminal gangs but we should not look the other way if there may be a problem with one particular group just because people say or think a race card is being played.

Quoted for truth. The race card is played too easily these days as an excuse to get away with a clear crime. Equality should apply in negative ways as well as positive ones.

Castiel · 11 Jan 2011 at 12:40

OldCoals said:
I struggle to see what me or you can do to change age old cultural attitudes to be frank.

So do I, and that is the root of the problem in this country unfortunately. Targeted mass Immigration over such a short didn't help. Labour attempting to boost it's voting demographic maybe?

We need to cut immigration to begin with, we also need to address the reasons why certain communities wish to isolate themselves, be it poverty, racism, white flight or whatever.

There is some evidence that segregation of communities in the UK is declining slowly, but I think we should be looking at ways to encourage a more tolerant society, and that goes for the immigrant population as well as the indigenous one.

As for dealing with crime in ethnic communities, making a big deal out of the fact that they are ethnic and attributing that ethnicity as the reason for the criminality really doesn't help either law enforcement or fostering trust between disparate cultures.

Danthus · 11 Jan 2011 at 12:55

Castiel said:
So do I, and that is the root of the problem in this country unfortunately. Targeted mass Immigration over such a short didn't help. Labour attempting to boost it's voting demographic maybe?

We need to cut immigration to begin with, we also need to address the reasons why certain communities wish to isolate themselves, be it poverty, racism, white flight or whatever.

I wholeheartedly agree.

There is some evidence that segregation of communities in the UK is declining slowly, but I think we should be looking at ways to encourage a more tolerant society, and that goes for the immigrant population as well as the indigenous one.

I can't comment on that as I haven't seen any numbers.

As for dealing with crime in ethnic communities, making a big deal out of the fact that they are ethnic and attributing that ethnicity as the reason for the criminality really doesn't help either law enforcement or fostering trust between disparate cultures.

I agree, but given the cultural attitude I think it is wrong to completely dismiss race as an issue.

Castiel · 11 Jan 2011 at 12:59

OldCoals said:
I agree, but given the cultural attitude I think it is wrong to completely dismiss race as an issue.

I agree we should not dismiss it completely, that would be foolish, but at the same time we should not give it undue emphasis, as this helps no-one and is disingenuous to the communities at large.

Patient Keeper · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:03

Castiel said:
No, this is the segregation of communities that no-one wants to embrace.

Multiculturalism is when these communities integrate fully.

What do you suggest is the alternative, what would you do to solve the problem.

Not deliberately encourage immigration for the other side of the world?

Face it, we wouldn't be having this discussion if 'they' weren't here. That is the bottom line, call it racist I simply do not care, the fact is that immigration causes problems that DONT need to exist.

Patient Keeper · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:06

I mean surely people can see how ludicrous it is for British people to have to worry and think up ways to solve problems with Pakistani culture? It has absolutely nothing to do with us

Will Gill · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:09

I can see how ludicrously racist and xenophobic you are if that helps

I suppose you have happily forgotten how Britain imposed itself on countires around the world, emparting (if not forcing) its culture on said countries along the way?

No bad thing this two way street

Patient Keeper · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:11

Will Gill said:
I can see how ludicrously racist and xenophobic you are if that helps

I suppose you have happily forgotten how Britain imposed itself on countires around the world, emparting (if not forcing) its culture on said countries along the way? No bad thing this two way street

So you automatically assume I agree with that? Should I feel guilty about slavery as well? Give it a rest.

TheCenturion · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:12

Patient keeper. I agree with you, there is a solution to the problem of multiculturalism.

It's called apartheid.

Patient Keeper · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:14

TheCenturion said:
Patient keeper. I agree with you, there is a solution to the problem of multiculturalism.

It's called apartheid.

When has this country had apartheid? :confused:

Patient Keeper · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:15

And you dont even consider yourself British, so how the hell can you ever consider yourself part of British culture? :rolleyes:

Xordium · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:15

Castiel said:
What do you suggest is the alternative, what would you do to solve the problem.

Patient Keeper said:
Not deliberately encourage immigration for the other side of the world?

I fail to see how promoting population movement in Australia and New Zealand has any relevance here.

Will Gill · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:16

Patient Keeper said:
So you automatically assume I agree with that? Should I feel guilty about slavery as well? Give it a rest.

I wish you would, how about a dairy lea slice, will that shut you up?

Patient Keeper · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:16

maustin said:
I fail to see how promoting population movement in Australia and New Zealand has any relevance here.

NO HOTLINKING!

TheCenturion · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:19

Patient Keeper said:
When has this country had apartheid?

I'm sorry... what?

I was pointing out that the apartheid system was created in order to solve the 'problem' of a multicultural society

Patient Keeper said:
And you dont even consider yourself British, so how the hell can you ever consider yourself part of British culture?

Once again... what?

I would say that I am Asian British. And I think that you've pointed out one problem right there. People such as yourself assume that if you're not British, then you can't become part of the British culture. Foreigners can go out and get smashed every weekend too, foreigners can have kids at the age of 14.

Castiel · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:20

Oh Well!, a good sensible debate lads, unfortunately it has begun to rapidly degenerate into idiocy.

I can't imagine why!

sigma · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:21

I'm sure you previously said you don't consider yourself to be British?

In fact, you did, on the last page. Post #327.

TheCenturion · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:21

Castiel said:
Oh Well!, a good sensible debate lads, unfortunately it has begun to rapidly degenerate into idiocy.

I can't imagine why!

Some people are closet racists? Others aren't quite racists, but have closet ignorance?

Danthus · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:21

TheCenturion said:
I'm sorry... what?

I was pointing out that the apartheid system was created in order to solve the 'problem' of a multicultural society

Once again... what?

I would say that I am Asian British. And I think that you've pointed out one problem right there. People such as yourself assume that if you're not British, then you can't become part of the British culture. Foreigners can go out and get smashed every weekend too, foreigners can have kids at the age of 14.

Can I ask why you do not considered yourself a British Asian?

TheCenturion · 11 Jan 2011 at 22:22

sigma said:
I'm sure you previously said you don't consider yourself to be British?

In fact, you did, on the last page.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that I was British per se. If someone were to ask, I'd say Indian. However, I had a think and I realised that on all legal forms etc, I'd go down as Asian British