Asking someone where they are from

[Lysander]

eh?

Im saying that a racist person doesn't hate a country or peoples specifically for its own sake, they are racist because of the impact (actual or perceived) on the people of that country coming here and believed to effect, dilute or otherwise alter their home country.

A racist person doesn't 'hate' Pakistan or Pakistani people. They 'hate' those people coming here and influencing life here.

I would partly disagree with that. A racist primarily hates another black or white person purely because they look different. They see this difference as a threat, as intimidating, and want to eradicate them as a result.

Of course there are also concerns that there will be cultural impacts, but a racist's primary concern is that someone of another race looks different to them and this is perceived as a potential problem. They don't want this in their gene pool or community - neither do they understand it.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Perhaps SH is just a rude insensitive person in general? We don't know her so we don't know.

She did replace Philip so maybe the queen liked that sort of talk.

 

[danlightbulb]

I would partly disagree with that. A racist primarily hates another black or white person purely because they look different. They see this difference as a threat, as intimidating, and want to eradicate them as a result.

Of course there are also concerns that there will be cultural impacts, but a racist's primary concern is that someone of another race looks different to them and this is perceived as a potential problem. They don't want this in their gene pool or community - neither do they understand it.

My experience of racist people (growing up in 80's urban West Midlands, Ive seen a fair bit of it), its always been about the effect of those people here, not their home country.

The type of racism you're talking about there, much bigger scale I would say, like the whites versus the Red Indians in the US sort of scale - one culture in war against another sort of level. That's happened in many cultures over the years - the Nazi's against the Jews for example. There are racist factors involved but also usually economic factors, land ownership factors, one group has what another wants etc.

I can honestly say I have never seen a person hate another person simply because they have black skin. Its what goes along with that that they don't like.

If we limit racism to people who hate another ONLY BECAUSE of that one factor, and absolutely nothing else, then I genuinely think the number of racists is vanishingly small.

 

[Tony Edwards]

My experience of racist people (growing up in 80's urban West Midlands, Ive seen a fair bit of it), its always been about the effect of those people here, not their home country.

The type of racism you're talking about there, much bigger scale I would say, like the whites versus the Red Indians in the US sort of scale - one culture in war against another sort of level. That's happened in many cultures over the years - the Nazi's against the Jews for example. There are racist factors involved but also usually economic factors, land ownership factors, one group has what another wants etc.

I can honestly say I have never seen a person hate another person simply because they have black skin. Its what goes along with that that they don't like.

If we limit racism to people who hate another ONLY BECAUSE of that one factor, and absolutely nothing else, then I genuinely think the number of racists is vanishingly small.

This why racism is so badly misunderstood. That is not the description of racism.

All the things you listed are just excuses.

 

[Nitefly]

Perhaps SH is just a rude insensitive person in general? We don't know her so we don't know.

Putting aside Susan Hussey specifically, for a moment…

If a person’s idiotic tendencies makes them recklessly insensitive and/or offensive towards a person’s race or their sex, then they’re an idiot that happens to be racist and sexist.

The risk and consequences of being unknowingly insensitive is something we all need to navigate as adults, but some basic social awareness and a willingness to be mindful of what may be sensitive to others should steer all of us away from racist and/or sexist behaviour.

SH should have known better - her approach here was awkward and regretful.

Does this make SH a wholly regretful human being? No.

 

[deuse]

The answer to the great question — “where did our species come from?” — has long been Africa. It was from somewhere in the African continent, most scientists believe, that modern humans evolved around 200,000 years ago before spreading across the world and becoming the dominant species we are today.

The new theory is
"A new analysis of two 7.2 million-year-old fossils belonging to a hominin species nicknamed “El Graeco” from Mediterranean Europe, suggests that mankind emerged in Europe and not in Africa."

No one really knows.

 

[Bassmansam]

I certainly do get your jist. But it isnt even remotely the same.

Why not? Educate me.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Why not? Educate me.

Educate your self.

 

[danlightbulb]

This why racism is so badly misunderstood. That is not the description of racism.

All the things you listed are just excuses.

A quick google search gives two quite different definitions of racism:

The first is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

The second is "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another."


I have to say of all the racist people I have met, the first definition has been clearly the issue - i.e the effect of those people on their immediate surroundings, for example a minority group in a community.

I can't say I have ever known anyone racist to the second definition, which is hatred of a group on the belief they are genetically inferior.


Maybe the first one is more likely to be prevalent in working class communities, and the second one more likely to be prevalent in upper class or institutional communities?

 

[doodah]

How the DM react can be, at times, a good litmus test. Best check in......



Even if you don't like Meghan, at what point do some people admit it's the DM that have the far bigger problem/agenda.

The word Meghan appears 60 times on their website currently.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

I can't say I have ever known anyone racist to the second definition, which is hatred of a group on the belief they are genetically inferior.

Everyone knows of at least 2 groups that fit that definition, the KKK and Nazis.

 

[Tony Edwards]

A quick google search gives two quite different definitions of racism:

The first is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

The second is "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another."


I have to say of all the racist people I have met, the first definition has been clearly the issue - i.e the effect of those people on their immediate surroundings, for example a minority group in a community.

I can't say I have ever known anyone racist to the second definition, which is hatred of a group on the belief they are genetically inferior.

You make it sound like the same as objections to second home owners.

Lets say for instance they are born here what then? They arent coming here stealing our jobs because they are already here.

Its like being mad at babies because...

 

[Lysander]

I can't say I have ever known anyone racist to the second definition, which is hatred of a group on the belief they are genetically inferior.

Maybe the first one is more likely to be prevalent in working class communities, and the second one more likely to be prevalent in upper class or institutional communities?

A lot of upper class people in Texas.

 

[danlightbulb]

Everyone knows of at least 2 groups that fit that definition, the KKK and Nazis.

Isn't that my point? Those groups are not normal people they are extremist factions that 99% of people don't associate with.

A lot of upper class people in Texas.

Ah ok, I was going to comment that maybe this is the type of racism more common in other countries rather than the UK, i.e the prison community of the US.

But then again I'd still push back on it being a purely genetic/inferiority thing, more rather a gang thing whereby different groups just club together for a sense of community. The core driver is not an implicit belief that another group is inferior - it is derived from upbringing and environmental factors that a person has been exposed to or has been passed down to them, or a means of surviving or fitting in.

 

[Mint8]

I see the woman involved is now milking her 3 mins of fame for all its worth.

Calling "abuse" now because the old lady used a finger to move a strand of her hair to look at her name badge.

No doubt a call for a 6 figure compensation sum will follow shortly and a request that the Prime Minister publicly apologise on behalf of the country for all our current and historic wrongs.

This is what you get when you have a hysterical media desperate to blow everything up out of all proportion.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Lets have a quick reminder what was said to have been said.



What part of Africa are you from?

 

[jpaul]

yes - I can't see why you would want to touch a strangers hair .. remnants of the primitive species grooming instinct.

Meghan must be giving her a back hander as an adjunct to their coincidental film trailer

 

[Tony Edwards]

Black campaigner claims she has received NO contact from the Palace

Ngozi Fulani said she would be 'happy' to take up the Royal Family's invitation to discuss what happened when Lady Susan Hussey refused to believe she was British

www.dailymail.co.uk

One of the UK's leading lawyers today claimed that Lady Susan Hussey interrogated him about his heritage at the same function where she asked a black British domestic violence campaigner: 'Where in Africa are you from?'.

Nazir Afzal, 60, Chancellor of the University of Manchester and ex-chief prosecutor of the CPS under Sir Keir Starmer, reacted to the row by declaring: 'Racism is never far away'.

He shouldnt have been wearing traditional <insert random country here> either.

 

[robfosters]

I wonder what made her change her name?

 

[Jono8]

Lets have a quick reminder what was said to have been said.



What part of Africa are you from?

I mean if all that is true, it is pretty awful.