Assange to go!

deuse said:
"Julian Assange has been cleared of charges of rape and molestation in Sweden, false charges issued by two women,
one in her 20s and the other in her 30s
Eva Finne, Sweden’s chief prosecutor, Julian Assange was “no longer wanted.”
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Where does it say that a Swedish judge dropped the case? It didn't - just that one prosecuter didn't proceed.

Why do we always get loads of people in threads like this who seem to think they know the full story about things like this? None of us know the full story, just becuase he's your pinup hero because he stuck it to the man doesn't make you an expert in his case.
 
deuse said:
What the hell are you on about?
it went to court and the swedish court(judge) dropped the case...it's not hard...really.

I think you just like arguing for the sake of it.
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It never went to court: Swedish Police invested, the warrant for arrest was cancelled, chief prosecutor reviewed and re-issued. No judge ever saw it to drop the case.

Whilst most of this thread is pure conjecture - those are facts. So who are you to accuse me of liking to argue for the sake of it when you are talking about something you plainly do not have a clue about.
 
deuse said:
Stay in the car section please..;):D
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If I go back to the car section plenty of other people will still point out the fact you keep making things up.

All your story says is that a prosecuter dropped the case 2 years ago. It's hardly unheard of for cases to be re-opened when new evidence produces itself. It doesnt say anywhere that it went before a judge, why do you keep claiming it did?

Why are you so desperate to protest his innocence? Do you think people who leak information you find personally interesting should be exempt from investigation for unrelated crimes?

None of this is about Wikileaks. It's about alleged rape.
 
"Australian diplomats believe Washington is targeting WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange for possible prosecution, according to documents obtained by a newspaper"

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/australia-believes-us-wants-prosecute-assange-report

Another twist...hmmmmm

OR

"Australia confirmed Saturday that its diplomatic post in Washington had been preparing for Julian Assange’s possible extradition to the US but played it down as ‘contingency planning’"

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/display...ional_August555.xml&section=international&col=
 
Wow, more links which don't support your point. Please, post some more.

The top one basically says the US has considered prosecuting him - no **** sherlock, I bet the consideration started the day Wikileaks first leaked something!
 
So before I answer that post above how about you answer this one you've conveniently skirted over.

Were you right or wrong in making this assertion?

deuse said:
What the hell are you on about?
it went to court and the swedish court(judge) dropped the case...it's not hard...really.
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If you were wrong then you would like to say this is unwarranted?

deuse said:
I think you just like arguing for the sake of it.
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And if you were not wrong how about you demonstrate how you were correct.
 
[TW]Fox;22587440 said:
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See..this is all you can do..come in to a thread have a go at people's opinions ... rinse and repeat.

Anyway I'm off as my nurse is here....have fun all...:D
 
[TW]Fox;22587440 said:
The top one basically says the US has considered prosecuting him - no **** sherlock, I bet the consideration started the day Wikileaks first leaked something!
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For what though? Rape allegations aside, Assange did not commit any crime against the US; not even terrorism. It is not unlawful for a foreigner to publish classified US documents. Assange did not LEAK anything, he legally published what was leaked to him. It is treason to leak classified documents. It is not treason, or a crime of any sort, for a journalist to publish what has been leaked to him. It's even less of a crime if that journalist is not from that country, or using that country's publications.

I fail to see why the US have any reasonable claim to him?
 
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deuse said:
See..this is all you can do..come in to a thread have a go at people's opinions ... rinse and repeat.

Anyway I'm off as my nurse is here....have fun all...:D
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To be fair, that's not what's happening is it?
Nobody is saying you can't have your own opinion, but people are asking for sources backing up what you've posted.

You've been unable to do so.....
 
Pug said:
For what though? Rape allegations aside, Assange did not commit any crime against the US; not even terrorism. It is not unlawful for a foreigner to publish classified US documents. Assange did not LEAK anything, he legally published what was leaked to him. It is treason to leak classified documents. It is not treason, or a crime of any sort, for a journalist to publish what has been leaked to him. It's even less of a crime if that journalist is not from that country, or using that country's publications.

I fail to see why the US have any reasonable claim to him?
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Assange Wiki said:
There was an indication of subpoena by a grand jury served to an individual linked to WikiLeaks in relation to Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. 793) due to Guantanamo Bay files leak and also focuses on Bradley Manning. The subpoena is investigating those who helped Bradley Manning release classified diplomatic cables under 18 U.S.C. 371. Another charge is those that "embezzle, steal, purloin, or knowingly convert ... any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States." under 18 U.S.C. 641. The charges strongly indicate a criminal investigation against WikiLeaks
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So it looks like the US haven't actually made a claim on him?
However, they are considering doing so under the espionage act, which would be a legitimate claim.
 
Just because something isn't published in the open press doesn't mean that there is a strong probability of it happening though. Taking what i have read at face value, what i have read between the lines and what governments seem to be capable of, in my opinion (and it's just that, like i'm sure Mr Assange has one) is that once extradited to Sweden, he'll find himself hidden away in the US somewhere, or will "commit suicide with his bed sheets" within 5 years.

No press links though to prove it i'm afraid.

That said i am also totally confident he is scared of the rape allegations, and probably is trying to avoid those as well.
 
Ok, as somebody who has been following this since before he became wanted, ill throw my 2 cents in.

First of all the rape allegations, the aren't any and never were, basically rape/sexual molestation/etc is what our media is calling it because the things he is wanted for are not crimes in the UK and they needed English words to refer to them (and also because it makes for a better story).

To sum it up, on 20/08/10 two girls walked into a police station because they had had consensual sex with a man and having heard rumors about him wanted to know if they could legally force him to have a HIV test done. Statements were taken etc, Assange was questioned on 30/08/10 and it was determined the was no crime to answer too and he couldn't be forced to take a test. The case was then re-opened on the 01/09/10 by a Swedish prosecutor and on the 18/09/10 Assange applied for residence in Sweden which was declined on 18/09/10 and so he left Sweden on 27/09/10 and on 18/11/10 an arrest warrant was issued for him.

The things that strike me as suspect is that the new prosecutor basically went over all the evidence with a fine tooth-comb to try and find the slightest thing that could be used against him. Things that would have to be statutory offences as the two women involved were not interested in bringing any charges against him (hence why they stopped cooperating with authorities and why it took so long between the case re-opening and an arrest warrant being issued).

According to translations those things basically consist of stuff like pinning a women down (holding her hands behind her head during consensual sex) and molesting the other women while she was asleep and therefore unable to give consent (cuddling up to her with an erection which then pressed against her).

Stepping back and looking at the big picture the is no way in hell all this should even have got off the ground let alone gone as far as it has unless for some reason somebody important really has it in for Assange (or a lot of people do). Then the last factor that I haven't addressed until now comes into view, all this took place during a period where Wikileaks were releasing lots and lots of confidential US information and congress was calling for his head.

I'm not usually one for conspiracy's, but if the shoe fits...
 
According to translations those things basically consist of stuff like pinning a women down (holding her hands behind her head during consensual sex) and molesting the other women while she was asleep and therefore unable to give consent (cuddling up to her with an erection which then pressed against her).
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If you don't define that as a sex offence I am not sure what one is. You've managed to pretty much rewrite the allegations as if they are being re written by Assange.

It is an offence in Sweden anyway and that's what he is wanted for.

Anyway as you don't believe the charges are genuine and non consensual sex isn't really an offence in your view and its all made up why would anyone make up anything that in your view is so poor and cannot stand up? Not doing a very good job on the conspiracy by the looks of it. All the people rubbishing the allegations are effectively rubbishing the conspiracy they claim is happening at the same time. This strikes me as self defeating.

All this ignores the fact that the US haven't sought Assange's extradition to the US while he was wandering about in the UK and they could have if they had wanted to, avoiding all the conspiracy scandal in the meantime. A lot simpler and hardly likely to cause a fuss in the UK like this one.
 
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