Asus ROG X570 Crosshair Dark Hero Release? *** NO Competitor Talk ***

How is this motherboard with the latest BIOS? Stable? Most likely going z590/11900k on release, but if the 5900x and Dark Hero ever get in stock, at non scalped prices, I may pick this up instead.
 
Anyone pulling their hair out trying to find appropriate memory for this Dark Hero ?

I have found the following

64 GB CMT64GX4M4Z3600C16 C16 Not AMD optimised QVL Tested
32 GB CMT32GX4M2Z3600C18 C18 AMD Optimised Not on QVL list

I am struggling and have spent hours and hours on forums, made a 20 page document with comments from users all over the world, but it's not making any sense.

I really intended 2 x 16 GB, and dual rank is a must, but finding something appropriate is proving to be difficult, hence why the 1st option was 64GB.

I intend to whack it it and hopefully it will be stable from the get go. But as I get more experience and read these forums further, experiment a little with timings to get a little more performance out of it.
I do not have the patience to spend 4 hours fiddling with timings, and would sooner spend more money to get the best memory that works out of the box (and someone has already done the timings for me on the memory, or Optimem will tweak for me)
Thank you very much.
 
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Anyone using 2 PCIe Gen 4 nvme drives on this board with reduced speeds on the 2nd slot? Getting 4x4 on the first and 4x2 on the 2nd.

I've been back and forth with the useless Asus ''support'' and no luck getting a solution.
 
JohnMatrix said:
Anyone using 2 PCIe Gen 4 nvme drives on this board with reduced speeds on the 2nd slot? Getting 4x4 on the first and 4x2 on the 2nd.

I've been back and forth with the useless Asus ''support'' and no luck getting a solution.
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I'm assuming you will have gone over this, but nothing plugged into the other PCIe slots, and have you tried clearing CMOS and manually setting PCIe 4 in the BIOS?
 
AStaley said:
I'm assuming you will have gone over this, but nothing plugged into the other PCIe slots, and have you tried clearing CMOS and manually setting PCIe 4 in the BIOS?
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Yeh done all that and still getting PCIe Gen 3 speeds on the 2nd slot. I have a 1080ti, but surely there are enough lanes for two Gen 4 drives?

Struggling to pinpoint if it's a mobo issue or the drive itself, so was wondering if anyone else is having the same problem.
 
Assuming the 1080ti is in the top slot that should be fine. The top PCIe slot is connected to the CPU, the bottom to the chipset, the chipset then has 4x PCIe gen 4 lanes to the CPU.
 
hkintheuk said:
Anyone pulling their hair out trying to find appropriate memory for this Dark Hero ?

I have found the following

64 GB CMT64GX4M4Z3600C16 C16 Not AMD optimised QVL Tested
32 GB CMT32GX4M2Z3600C18 C18 AMD Optimised Not on QVL list

I am struggling and have spent hours and hours on forums, made a 20 page document with comments from users all over the world, but it's not making any sense.

I really intended 2 x 16 GB, and dual rank is a must, but finding something appropriate is proving to be difficult, hence why the 1st option was 64GB.

I intend to whack it it and hopefully it will be stable from the get go. But as I get more experience and read these forums further, experiment a little with timings to get a little more performance out of it.
I do not have the patience to spend 4 hours fiddling with timings, and would sooner spend more money to get the best memory that works out of the box (and someone has already done the timings for me on the memory, or Optimem will tweak for me)
Thank you very much.
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Don't pay attention to the QVL list, they only test a very small number of random components - it is next to useless. Can't go wrong with G.skill Trident Z Neo kits, they are made for AMD Ryzen.

I've used the following on my Dark Hero with 5900x with no issue - initially F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC and now using F4-3600C16D-64GTZN.
 
TheBiznes said:
New Bios some reaching 2000 FCLK now. No release notes as yet though. Contains Agesa 1.2.0.0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh5kovnovaoagui/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VIII-DARK-HERO-ASUS-3201.rar?dl=0
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hmm don't know validity of this one , but so soon after previous Beta bios we have another. Must have been an issue. Will look for reason

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...RO/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VIII-DARK-HERO-ASUS-3202.ZIP

Can also be found here.

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/ultimative-am4-uefi-bios-agesa-Übersicht.1228903/#2.7
 
If the new bios is allegedly reaching 2000 FCLK now, how does the following message I read on another forum somewhere stack up in terms of deciding which memory to choose ? The bios the poster was using was before the new one mentioned above by TheBiznes


64 GB (4x16 GB) Corsair Ballistix Max 4000/CL 18 (DOCP)

This RAM will run at both 3800/CL 16 at 1900 FLCK and 4000 / CL 18 at 2000 FLCK. Both are stable. No WHEA errors at 3800, but I do get some and less stability at 4000 on the bios I'm on. I think in the future it will be totally stable at 4000, but 3800 will probably be the timing sweet spot. You have to buy 2 of the kits of 2x16 GB RAM so it's probably not the most recommended, but it's the fastest dual rank 64 GB of RAM you can get. My FPS and cinebench scores were higher at 3800. It won't do 3600/CL14.

My thoughts are :

1. Should we all now move to 4000Mhz RAM ? Is it worth me buying 3600/3800 now ? My board arrives next week, but I haven't bought RAM yet
2. What performance difference would you expect between 3800/CL with 1900 FLCK (1:1) and 4000/CL18 with 2000FLCK(1:1) ? What would that translate to in gaming for example ? Assume average frame rate increase. 4K monitor (actually 3440 x 1440, but close enough)
3. I'm starting to read encouraging reports on BLM2K16G44C19U4BL (Crucial Ballistix MAX RGB 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-4400 Desktop Gaming Memory (CAS 19 : 19-19-19-43 timings). Do folks think future BIOS updates to the Dark Hero are going to work with this with a 2100 FLCK for 1:1 ? Is it worth buying it now, down grading it to 2000 FLCK for stability (4000 Mhz) but having the option to upgrade it later at some point ?
4. Then again, the RAM RichL mentioned, the F4-3600C16D-32GTZN does look pretty good (Can't find the F4-3600C16D-64GTZN anywhere)

I've visited more AMD forums (Where Dark Hero is mentioned) than I care to mention over the last few weeks, trying to get an idea of what folks are using out there.

Here are the most common RAM's I keep seeing : I've listed them by memory speed, grouped by manufacturer.

Red denotes the most common RAM I see in people's builds.


3600 MHz

Corsair Vengeance RGP Pro 32 GB (2 x 16) : 3600 MHz : AMD Ryzen Tuned : CAS 18 : 18-22-22-42 : CMW32GX4M2Z3600C18 (Poster thought CAS18 was crap but someone said the Z denotes it has a higher chance of having DJR over CJR or Rev.E. They said DJR was better. I have no idea what they meant !)

TEAM GROUP EDITION 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 PC4-3600MHz : CAS 16 : 16-16-16-38 : OCUK Code MY-002-8P

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB (2 x 16) DDR4 PC4-3600 CAS 16 : 16-16-16-36 : F4-3600C16D-32GTZR (also mentioned on this thread..thank you LovingBenji and DJ Switch)

G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB (2 x 16) DDR4 PC4-3600MHz CAS 16 : 16-19-19-39 : F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC (thank you RichL)

Crucial Ballistix 32GB Desktop Gaming Memory (2 x 32GB) DDR4 PC4-3600 : CAS 16 : 16-18-18-38 (thank you Nick695): BL2K32G36C16U4B


3800 MHz

G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB (4 x 8) DDR4 PC4-3800MHz CAS 14 : 14-16-16-36 : F4-3800C14Q-32GTZN

G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB (2 x 16) DDR4 PC4-3800MHz CAS 14 : 14-16-16-36 : F4-3800C14D-32GTZN


The following speeds were not majorly represented. I might see 1 or 2 mentioned after reading 100+ builds. I guess they are for the extremely experienced overclockers but in light of the BIOS news above, perhaps these may start to become more popular (hint : prices may rise possibly due to channel demand ?)

4000 MHz

G.Skill Trident Z Royal 32GB (2 x 16) DDR4 PC4-4000MHz CAS 16 : 16-19-19-39 : F4-4000C16D-32GTRS


4400 MHz

Crucial Ballistix 32GB Desktop Gaming Memory 32GB (2 x 16) DDR4 PC4-4400: CAS 19 : 19-19-19-43: BLM2K16G44C19U4BL

I found the exercise interesting. I hope it helps someone. It shows where a majority are sourcing from and would explain why demand for G.Skill is outstripping supply.
 
hkintheuk said:
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Personally I don't really think is worth paying so much more to get a few % points in areas that objectively you would probably not even be able to tell the difference. What I did was get a good 3600C16 kit and try to push it as much as I can. But if your passtime is playing cinebench then sure I guess paying 440 pounds for ram might be worth it.

p.s also even though the newer AGESA would likely provide some more stability it comes down to a lot of lottery as well. Nothing's guarranteed. (I am not an expert in this however so do take it with a pinch of salt)
 
Anthos said:
Personally I don't really think is worth paying so much more to get a few % points in areas that objectively you would probably not even be able to tell the difference. What I did was get a good 3600C16 kit and try to push it as much as I can. But if your passtime is playing cinebench then sure I guess paying 440 pounds for ram might be worth it.

p.s also even though the newer AGESA would likely provide some more stability it comes down to a lot of lottery as well. Nothing's guarranteed. (I am not an expert in this however so do take it with a pinch of salt)
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Hello Anthos and thank you for your comment.

I'm not in to Cinebench scores personally. However, neither do I want to leave potential performance on the table.

Put it another way...my average fps in Cyberpunk 2077 is currently 0 fps.

Why ? Because I am building a whole new machine from scratch with AMD (Always been Intel before this).

So technically, for me it's not about upgrading from an existing machine (which is going to be reassigned back to its original purpose in another room as my main VR Rig). Leaving a void for a completely new rig.

I'm starting from scratch, so if the 3600 Mhz nets me x %, but the 4000+ Mhz performance nets me x+10% or more, then that's a big difference in a game being playable on ultra settings or not.

For example, an extra 10% could just squeak me over the line in to 60+fps on certain games with everything maxxed out.

Does that make sense a bit more ?
 
hkintheuk said:
Hello Anthos and thank you for your comment.

I'm not in to Cinebench scores personally. However, neither do I want to leave potential performance on the table.

Put it another way...my average fps in Cyberpunk 2077 is currently 0 fps.

Why ? Because I am building a whole new machine from scratch with AMD (Always been Intel before this).

So technically, for me it's not about upgrading from an existing machine (which is going to be reassigned back to its original purpose in another room as my main VR Rig). Leaving a void for a completely new rig.

I'm starting from scratch, so if the 3600 Mhz nets me x %, but the 4000+ Mhz performance nets me x+10% or more, then that's a big difference in a game being playable on ultra settings or not.

For example, an extra 10% could just squeak me over the line in to 60+fps on certain games with everything maxxed out.

Does that make sense a bit more ?
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No way would you get 10% more by going from 3600 to 4000. most likely just frustration from instability. Best case scenario I'd say a couple of percentage points. I don't know if there's any benchmarks out there that compare this on the Zen 3s. Personally I think you get very very diminished returns beyond 3600 to the point that it's probably not worth it.

p.s
Just had a quick look
https://premiumbuilds.com/features/zen-3-ram-speeds-benchmark-analysis/
Yeah... so not worth it..
 
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