At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?

[Tinek]

That says how many 3080/3090 did you scalp in the pandemic? The square root of FA.

As I wrote very clearly - I sold my old used GPUs, to miners, not gamers. I've sold 2070S for considerably more than I bought it for 2y earlier, to a miner. Same as I did in previous crypto boom by selling few years old 1080Ti to a miner. Hell, I had miners offering me close to £1k for 3060 at some point (but that one ended with my brother instead). I can only suspect my old 1070 back in the days, which also sold for more I bought it 2y earlier, was bought by a miner as well. None of them even tried to haggle, just monies on a table and I've never heard about them again - they did not even ask about warranty. Oh and AMD cards I had in the meantime (as most of the time I swapped GPUs quite often to see both sides of the coin) also sold well... you guessed it - to miners too.

I'm afraid that I won't be dissuaded by your thoughts on selling 30 series cards in the pandemic.

You already are, as I said nothing about it, yet you brought it up yourself. You know what you are.

I was there and I did it; my opinion is that the situation unfolding today is not the same. If you don't agree with me - that's fine.

The difference is that I sold used cards to miners - who paid a lot and still were happy they could get some. To me situation didn't change in a way that I can still sell my used GPU for more than I bought it (4090 in this case).

 

[ScottMc]

I get someone financing these current cards due to their bloated pricing and if you are coming from a 1080/2080 the performance bump is massive, from a 4090 though?

Some people just got to have the top end stuff, I've never understood it TBH. A 4070Ti S - 5080 is still a big enough upgrade if one is coming from 1080/2080/3070 and for half the price.

Most people don't have this issue though - the "normies" don't buy 5080 and 5090 cards, they go for xx60 cards. Enthusiasts pay this new tax, which NVIDIA pushes to be a norm (and higher in the future, likely).

New, higher RRP prices by some AIBs have already been officially added to their websites (so it's not just retailers) - 20-30% higher than FE MSRP. Their excuse is high cost of GPU/vRAM combo by NVIDIA and tariffs that US introduced on various products. As in, none of that shows any hope of prices dropping to FE level anytime soon - I would say, forget about it. Only NVIDIA could influence price drops by dropping their prices - which they won't do, as it's just not part of their normal behaviour.

Absolutely agree, but again - I highly doubt waiting will help, unless FE models show in big numbers and people go for them. It seems VIDIA rather produce enterprise cards than gaming ones, as they get way way higher margins for them, out of the same silicon and manufacturing capacity. So the shortages might never really end, if it continues to slowly drip to the market and that's intended.

Yes that seems correct with little competition Nvidia are limiting production to keep the prices high.

 

[SpellowHouse]

Some people just got to have the top end stuff, I've never understood it TBH. A 4070Ti S - 5080 is still a big enough upgrade if one is coming from 1080/2080/3070 and for half the price.

Yes that seems correct with little competition Nvidia are limiting production to keep the prices high.

I think some people just have a mindset of "upgrade every two years" but have lost sight of the fact that we aren't seeing the improvements that started the two year upgrades in the first place. It''s become almost an obsession.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I think some people just have a mindset of "upgrade every two years" but have lost sight of the fact that we aren't seeing the improvements that started the two year upgrades in the first place. It''s become almost an obsession.

The improvements are there,but what you have is shrinkflation as Nvidia/AMD want to increase their margins. People paying over RRP during the Pandemic showed them that artificial scarcity drives FOMO and they can charge more.

 

[PaulW]

Me right now with GPUs.

Wake me up when somthing happens...

 

[SpellowHouse]

The improvements are there,but what you have is shrinkflation as Nvidia/AMD want to increase their margins. People paying over RRP during the Pandemic showed them that artificial scarcity drives FOMO and they can charge more.

I can remember the days when improvements were 100% for the same money. Now you have to pay twice the price for 30%. And pretty soon that's not even going to be possible. We surely must be reaching a limit where the cost, power and heat are all factors that are just too much for the consumer.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I can remember the days when improvements were 100% for the same money. Now you have to pay twice the price for 30%. And pretty soon that's not even going to be possible. We surely must be reaching a limit where the cost, power and heat are all factors that are just too much for the consumer.

The reason power is going up is because Nvidia/AMD are penny pinching by using the smallest and leakiest chips possible,then overclocking them so they can push the price up.

It's sheer greed and like a pricing cartel. Any real pricing increases for them have been probably exceeded by the final price increases.

People also talk about inflation,but inflation in China,Taiwan is much lower than in Europe. Wait until they use the US Tariffs excuse to jack up pricing.

Gamers on average really need to push back on this.

 

[SpellowHouse]

The reason power is going up is because Nvidia/AMD are penny pinching by using the smallest and leakiest chips possible,then overclocking them so they can push the price up.

It's sheer greed and like a pricing cartel. Any real pricing increases for them have been probably exceeded by the final price increases.

People also talk about inflation,but inflation in China,Taiwan is much lower than in Europe. Wait until they use the US Tariffs excuse to jack up pricing.

Gamers on average really need to push back on this.

And yet, they are doing exactly the opposite. They are freaking out every two years and forming queues. I saw an Asus 5090 sell for £4600 a few days ago.
Having said that, I do notice that they are available, meaning the frenzy is not as bad as two years ago. Maybe NVIDIA have pushed the price too far now?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

And yet, they are doing exactly the opposite. They are freaking out every two years and forming queues. I saw an Asus 5090 sell for £4600 a few days ago. Having said that, I do notice that they are available, meaning the frenzy is not as bad as two years ago. Maybe NVIDIA have pushed the price too far now?

Because too many gamers are FOMO Whales,just like with enough gamers spending £100s on microtransactions. The marketing has made them go full retard.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I can remember the days when improvements were 100% for the same money. Now you have to pay twice the price for 30%. And pretty soon that's not even going to be possible. We surely must be reaching a limit where the cost, power and heat are all factors that are just too much for the consumer.

I don't know. I recall I felt this way over a decade ago except it was cpu's that were the 20% uplift each gen. The same cohort kept mindlessly buying intel chips and somehow even that giant has now ballsed up an easy race.

 

[ICDP]

It’s never been 100% gen on gen increase. It has usually been anything from 25% - 60% and about 40% on average.

 

[stuie]

It’s never been 100% gen on gen increase. It has usually been anything from 25% - 60% and about 40% on average.

Never?
Clearly you wernt gaming in the late 90's early 2000's

 

[ICDP]

If you have to go back a quarter of a century then my point stands.

 

[greatash]

I don't know. I recall I felt this way over a decade ago except it was cpu's that were the 20% uplift each gen. The same cohort kept mindlessly buying intel chips and somehow even that giant has now ballsed up an easy race.

20% CPU uplifts each gen would've been pretty good back then. If I remember right it was more like 5% each gen

 

[gpuerrilla]

20% CPU uplifts each gen would've been pretty good back then. If I remember right it was more like 5% each gen

Was being generous! But still gobsmacked people were upgrading each cycle for poor gains tbh (like now).

 

[SpellowHouse]

Never?
Clearly you wernt gaming in the late 90's early 2000's

Yup. And CPU's were the same. You could buy a plug in, direct replacement that was exactly twice as fast. 100% generational increase was the norm.

The difference was obvious. As time went by, people had to start using benchmarks to tell the difference.

I think that GPU's are now doing what CPU's did decades ago. They have reached a point where the generational performance increase will be small.

NVIDIA have even started to warn the pro market that they are not going to see generational per-chip hardware improvements now, improvements will be rack improvements instead. For gamers, this probably mean the likes of DLSS.

I mean, we just can't keep on increasing power supplies and heat dissipation like this. Either that or we need a step change.. a redesign of the PC.

 

[stuie]

If you have to go back a quarter of a century then my point stands.

Thanks for that, i now feel old

 

[stuie]

Yup. And CPU's were the same. You could buy a plug in, direct replacement that was exactly twice as fast. 100% generational increase was the norm.

The difference was obvious. As time went by, people had to start using benchmarks to tell the difference.

I think that GPU's are now doing what CPU's did decades ago. They have reached a point where the generational performance increase will be small.

NVIDIA have even started to warn the pro market that they are not going to see generational per-chip hardware improvements now, improvements will be rack improvements instead. For gamers, this probably mean the likes of DLSS.

I mean, we just can't keep on increasing power supplies and heat dissipation like this. Either that or we need a step change.. a redesign of the PC.

The days when 2/3 year full system upgrade cycles wernt just the norm, but were actually required

 

[Sparky]

Back then enthusiast home PC's were in their infancy pretty much and gains were more noticeable as tech matured. These days gains are less noticeable as we are probably at the point where without significant power/cooling its much smaller steps.

 

[Hostile_18]

It's not always a bad thing either. Hardware you do get lasts much longer and holds its value more. We have long past the point where we have enough power for games. The industry just keeps trying to raise the goal posts to keep the market going I.e ray tracing.

As soon as Cyberpunk ran well they kept patching it via Nvidia sponsorship to make your high end rig feel inadequate. Well played as always Nvidia.