ATI cuts 6950 allocation

Scougar · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:28

cainer said:
gibbo said he was gonna do some silly deals on some 3 bar electric fires,.. erm i mean gtx480's ,, send one to an eskimo and youl be giving them hawaii

Gibbo said he couldn't lose money, but could do some stonking deal's on the higher priced cards from what I could tell. £200 is not gonna happen, he's already stated that outright.

magicroundabout · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:28

BS Dave said:
you might want to edit that - i'm sure your mate wouldn't be too happy if he lost his job for leaking info...

nice to know though - i'd probably get one of those if they're going to be a competitive as Gibbo's making out

they're not based in the UK and there are lots of people where they work. so i doubt people will find out who he/she is.

Journey · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:30

Well it'll all be fine for Raven come Wednesday anyhow since he has screen shots of the huge performance leap from his source, once the NDA is lifted he can post them and no one will care who leaked them.

I'd probably say that given AMD/ATi's investment in Eyefinity and that it is indeed one of their only USP's in the graphics market then they need to push it hard and having both a 6950 and 6970 with 2GB RAM is a no brainer. I'd imagine that the 1GB version of the 6950 will be the big seller though (if it exists) massive reduction in cost to to the lower amount of RAM and a great big open space to slot it in above the 6870.

RavenXXX2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:31

Duff-Man said:
Well, that depends:

AMD have the functionality advantage (they can run three screens with a single GPU), but nvidia's solution offers far, far better performance at the moment. See, for example the HardOCP review of nvidia surround vs eyefinity:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/07/20/nvidia_surround_technology_performance_review/

Well two of them titles BC2 and AvP had xfire issues back then which since been corrected giving substantially more performance, now I would say it was fairly close as long as you have 2GB AMD cards for games that burst the 1GB barrier at eyefinity res.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/26/ati_crossfirex_application_profile_108a_performance/

Nexus18 · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:33

magicroundabout said:
my sauce was very official thank you. They also have 56 other varieties' of sauce too.

seriously though my friend works for Sapphire and was 100% correct with his info on the 5870 release and i trust him on this too. But with everything else we will have to wait and see. There is only one person on this forum who knows 100% and thats Gibbo as he has been testing one all week.

Yeah, but none of it is "official" as far as we know (apart from you and your friend and other people who work in the business etc.), there have been a number of other times when people have over hyped cards linking back to sources or/and websites and when they come out with official reviews etc. they have been disappointed by the performance due to all the rumors hyping them up making them sound like there new gen beasts or something.

Also I am not doubting you and your friend or ravens source, it's just there is no official evidence i.e. benchmarks of games etc. that have been posted here, the only things that we have seen so far are a few slides and suspected specs along with all your sites saying that they aren't faster than the 580 and that they are faster than the 580 blah blah...

Unless you want to get your friend to post some screenshots of benchmarks in games and all and then we can say that all the hype was correct in fact (hopefully)

So until I see some official reviews from reputable sites, then to me it is all just rumors, take everything with a pinch of salt before the cards are released IMO, but for you as you said that is different since he has informed you of the cards performance and all.

cainer · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:38

Scougar said:
Gibbo said he couldn't lose money, but could do some stonking deal's on the higher priced cards from what I could tell. £200 is not gonna happen, he's already stated that outright.

can you point me to where i said "there gonna be £200" otherwise i see no point in you're reply?

555BUK · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:00

Ignore me, I need glasses.

RavenXXX2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:05

What clocks are 570's doing? Most 480's will do 850 core easily " mine does 895 " but runs hot and noisy with max volts " they are a better spec of card as well. A 480 at 820 core is as good as 580 performace, check anandtechs review of a 480v580 with same clocks there is not much in it at all. If you have decent case airflow temps and noise is not an issue.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4012/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580-the-sli-update/3

queamin · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:09

Freddie1980 said:
AmD haven't had the fastest single GPU card (delays to Fermi aside) ever since they took over ATI back in 2006 so I doubt anything will change now. AMD obviously target value for for money and profitability over the pride of having the an outright bemouth that's expensive to produce. Its the price that AMD set that will determine the success of this card.

If true the only slightly negative I would say is because 580 is only small increase over a 480 for a refresh, if the 6970 does not beat or at least equal a 580 I will be disappointed, as this is AMD chance to get in front of Nvidia for once on a single gpu.

RavenXXX2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:11

Overclocking will be key for a 6970, if it is well cheaper than 580 but can easily clock its way past a 580 then that's good going, if it is slower than 580 at all.

Journey · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:23

RavenXXX2 said:
Overclocking will be key for a 6970, if it is well cheaper than 580 but can easily clock its way past a 580 then that's good going, if it is slower than 580 at all.

U-TURN much?

You had evidence of them being 30-40% faster than a 580 :confused:

RavenXXX2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:25

As already stated it can't be verified, but could still hold true.

ashmanuk67 · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:31

^^^
Oh Man you got to love all this speculation

i have seen every post and my head

is pounding

I feel i believe RavensXXX source (i think) some games/bench will be faster/slower but at a lower price point which is a major boost to the PC Games market, BRING ON THE 6900's

Duff-Man · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:50

ashmanuk67 said:
I feel i believe RavensXXX source (i think) some games/bench will be faster/slower but at a lower price point which is a major boost to the PC Games market

Mr Raven claimed 30-40% improvement on the 580GTX overall, based on a so-called insider source. So that doesn't correspond to "some games will be faster/slower but at a lower price point", which is a far more realistic assessment.

The 30-40% claim was never even remotely realistic. It didn't surprise me that Raven would make such a claim in order to generate short-term attention, what surprises me is the number of people who seemed to take it seriously... Apparently some people still do? :confused:

Skyrocket · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:51

Duff-Man said:
Mr Raven claimed 30-40% improvement on the 580GTX overall, based on a so-called insider source. So that doesn't correspond to "some games will be faster/slower but at a lower price point", which is a far more realistic assessment.

The 30-40% claim was never even remotely realistic. It didn't surprise me that Raven would make such a claim in order to generate short-term attention, what surprises me is the number of people who seemed to take it seriously... Apparently some people still do?

Like German tourist, stupid people are everywhere.

RavenXXX2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 16:57

Duff-Man said:
blah

You got some performance figures for us? don't knock it until we get some reviews in.

ashmanuk67 · 10 Dec 2010 at 17:04

Skyrocket said:
Like German tourist, stupid people are everywhere.

NOT STUPID

just wishful thinking.
Bit harsh that comment don't you think.

mack-attack99 · 10 Dec 2010 at 17:12

whats redicoulus to me is that cayman is less than a week away and know one really knows what the heck is going on!
I would guess that given all the "facts" given by FUDZILLA recently, Charlie would have also slipped some info by now so as not to let fud have all the glory. Since he has not (charlie), to me means that hopfully it is that, just fud....

Duff-Man · 10 Dec 2010 at 17:16

RavenXXX2 said:
You got some performance figures for us? don't knock it until we get some reviews in.

Have you? All I've seen so far are wild and completely unsubstantiated claims.

If your crazy "30-40% average improvement over GTX580" claims somehow turn out to be accurate then I will be the one looking foolish. But they won't, because they simply don't compute with what we know about the architecture.

I've said a few times that I would expect a 1920 "4D"-shader 6970 to come in at around 10% faster than the GTX580 overall. Similarly, I would expect a 1536 "4D"-shader 6970 to come in at around 10% behind the GTX580 overall (perhaps closer to 5% behind, since the smaller die size allows higher clocks and a better memory-bandwidth to compute-power relationship).

Now, my estimate above is based on logical reasoning related to the nature of GPU design. If I wanted to attract attention to myself, I could have claimed that I got these figures from "an inside source", and if it turned out to be close to correct (which I suspect it will), then I would look like someone "in the know". Of course, I wouldn't do this, because I'm not a complete and utter tool :rolleyes:

RavenXXX2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 17:20

So you got nothing. When the reviews hit and you see certain titles and benchmarks with performance in the 30-40% over a 580 you can look back and say " yeah that Raven was right "