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Australia disabled migrant policy
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When you want a child you tend not to consider the repercussions if it’s severely disabled as you will be kicked out of the country. The immigrants here certainly don’t as we’re a compassionate country. The lad would get that medicine in an instant here with no consideration as to cost at all
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The health service doesn't work like the UK though. Here it's a complex and confusing (likely purposely) hybrid system where some levels of basic care are provided by the state which are generally means tested in some form. High earners (think it's above $180k pa) are taxed an extra levy called medicare - which in part helps fund public health systems. Private / insured healthcare is positively encouraged and again, high earners who don't have the required level of insurance for all or only part of the year for themselves and their dependants pay additional tax at the end of each FY which is an extra 1% of your income. Having basic level insurance is less than $1,000 per year so it's daft not having it.
For most people they go to the doctor and some or all of it is covered by their insurance, the bits that are not are called a gap payment which you have to pay to the healthcare provider that day. Sometimes you have to pay it all then claim some back from Medicare. GPs used to do what they call bulk billing where you wouldn't pay anything and they charge medicare directly however those GPs are dwindling fast and those that can't afford it are missing out or finding a bulk biller elsewhere and have months to wait to get an appointment. Only residents, citizens and visitors from reciprocating countries (such as UK, Ireland and some scandi countries) get a medicare card that you need before you can even book an appointment. You can't just wander into a doctor or hospital and get treatment like in the UK.
I've been here nearly 20 years and thankfully have very rarely had to use the service but for a few sports injuries so I just go straight private and pay the gap the insurance doesn't cover. I don't fully understand it but I like it, simply because it is, like many other things here, skewed toward the benefit of the healthy and wealthy whom seldom need the service, rather than the needy which selfishly suits me fine. For now at least.
I saw some of this on the news the other night, I've not read a lot on it but it's not as straightforward as it might seem, particular to those used to the service the NHS provides and possibly take it for granted - not saying you do by any means, it's just easy to forget that there are not many places in the world that operate like that.
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Soldato
Admittedly this was 20 years ago so things could have changed, but I lived in New Zealand for 6 months, had a job etc on a temporary visa.
In comparison it was a MUCH better place to live than the UK, I was young and wasn't ready to move permanently, but I actually became pretty depressed for a few years when I came back to the UK, and ill admit not looking into extending my VISA whilst there is probably one of the biggest regrets of my life.
And if anything the UK has plummeted since then, I can't help but think it's attitudes like this that make it a better place to live.
In comparison it was a MUCH better place to live than the UK, I was young and wasn't ready to move permanently, but I actually became pretty depressed for a few years when I came back to the UK, and ill admit not looking into extending my VISA whilst there is probably one of the biggest regrets of my life.
And if anything the UK has plummeted since then, I can't help but think it's attitudes like this that make it a better place to live.
Sorry zero sympathy.
Economic migration and compassion don't belong together.
As you point out the child can just as well be cared for in the UK as in Australia. This isn't really anything to do with the well being and care available for the child, it's a sob story from the parents who took risks and are suffering as a result of their decisions and now can't stay in Australia.
The childs not an Australian citizen, neither are either of his parents and they now collectively represent a massive financial loss for Australia and so it's quite correct that their visa renewal applications were turned down.
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Soldato
Nobody having a baby expects disability.
Unless one of the parents knowingly had a preexisting genetic condition then it never crosses peoples minds.
What are your opinions on the NHS as a concept? As many people with the same opinion object to the NHS on the same grounds ie "why should my taxes pay for someone else!?".
Caporegime
You could have just left it at that, because we knew that would be your opinion, given your post history.
Anyone working in another country, as an economic migrant, should be prepared for the possibility their visa won't be renewed. They decided to start a family knowing their situation in Australia wasn't guaranteed to be a permanent one.
Irrelevant as above they made the decision to start a family when there was no guarantee, healthy child or not, that they could stay indefinitely.
I think the NHS is a poor model to deliver socialised health care.
I support the idea of socialised healthcare generally albeit with some features very common in other countries. For example a degree of co payment at point of service, for some stuff.
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Why should I have 'sympathy' for economic migrants on a visa when their renewal is declined exactly?
They knew, or should have known, the deal when they signed up for a visa to start with.
A foreign country allows you temporary entry to take advantage of preferable work and or other conditions. The flip side of the bargain is you make a positive contribution to the country i.e usually fill a skill gap and not be a net finacial cost to the host nation.
The UK is a joke in this regard and I've seen all to often how our systems are abused by economic migrants.
We need to be more like Australia with regards to immigration policy not moving further away from it
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You sound a bit psychopathic to me if I’m being honest
Why's that?
A two year old can go to the UK with his British parents and have a perfectly good standard of life.
This is just a sob story because the parents want to stay in OZ but their visa renewals have been declined.
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Yep my brother moved to Thailand recently, in order to secure a 5 year visa, he needed to have a minimum of £10k in his bank account. Probably helped that he knows several high up people in the area including someone who knows the local mafia boss!
You seem to have a distinct lack of sympathy for the situation of a family with a severely disabled child. They both work, pay taxes, have a home and a happy life and that’s being completely ripped away from them.
We should reject all visa applications from Australians or refuse NHS treatment until the Aus government start playing ball. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander
You're just being irrational because you're disabled yourself.
The child can have a perfectly adequate standard of 'free' (at the point of service) care in the UK.
They signed up for a deal....that deal was that they were allowed to stay in Australia for a set amout of time with no guarantee that stay would be renewed.
Playing silly games with the Australian goverment won't work to the benefit of the UK as the wider populace, from both countries, benefit, in different ways, from our reciprocal immigration arrangements.
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Me being disabled has no effect on how I feel about this, and it’s a bit low and desperate for you to even suggest it.
That's nonsence and anyone who thinks otherwise is being willfully deluded.
Your posts fairly often relate to disability issues. To claim your personal situation doesn't affect your views on the subject is risible.
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Why is this so hard for people to get their head around?
Indeed it would be no different if they had a healthy kid but the situation had changed in Australia in the meantime and they goverment no longer wanted to issue visa's for the skills they had and declined their renewals.
Anyone going somewhere else on a visa should be reading and comprehending the terms and conditions and be prepared for the possibility of any renewal being declined.
I think that’s the end of our discussion before I post something ban worthy. You’re not worth it.
You suggested it was 'psychotic' for pointing out why so many countries have similar rules around visa applications with regards to considering the overall cost associated with approving the application.
Your now skulking away because I suggested your may not be rationally assessing this situation based in your own circumstances.
Given that my position is supported by the immigration policies of many countries you might wish to consider where the truth lies on the 'Caracus2k is psychotic' to 'robfosters isn't being entirely objective and rational' scale.
I'll throw in that the added bonus is your suggested 'response' to this, quite expected and normal, visa situation was that the UK should engage in an act of quite extreme, and self defeating, retaliation against one of our closest international allies!
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