What exactly do you think he has done wrong?
Australian GP 2009 - Race 1/17 (NOT in HD BTW)
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What exactly do you think he has done wrong?
There is also the issue here of what punishments are available. Aparently in the rules the option to just demote Trulli to 4th was not available, it was a 25second penalty or nothing... and with all the cars lined up behind the safety car, thats a massive penalty. Had it been under normal racing conditions he may have only dropped a place or 2....
the whole proccess is lumpy and confusing, and dispite the FIA stating it would be, no more transparrent than it has been. I thought they were going to publish the reasonings behind the stewards decisions?
the whole proccess is lumpy and confusing, and dispite the FIA stating it would be, no more transparrent than it has been. I thought they were going to publish the reasonings behind the stewards decisions?
It was more a generic sigh at the fact we're in a brand new season with so much promise. Yet key positions in races are still being changed half a week after the race.
Wish they just left it as it was with the 3rd for Trulli and the 4th for Hamilton. It seems completely counter productive to punish McLaren for helping Trulli. If the whole thing hadn't gone to the stewards and then onto the FIA the result would have been so much better.
Vettel wouldn't have been punished, Trulli could have his podium, and Hamilton would be more than happy with a 4th. But no the Stewards have to **** around with everything.
Still not half as funny as KR's continuing one man attempt to take apart the GP tracks of the world, one barrier at a time
People are trying to insinuate that this lying is on purpose - and I cant see how it can be.
Whether McLaren told Hamilton to let Trulli pass or he did it himself either way McLaren are just playing it safe , why is that so bad ?
Its not like he GAINED a place by being underhanded, he actually crossed the line lower down than he was theoretically allowed to (and it was the stewards who gave him the place back)
this is all a bunch of hogwash if you ask me - against McLaren (isnt the first time and wont be the last)
Wait, what?! (done that twice today)
So the FIA didnt get the whole transcript and thought.. well thats grounds to put them on a level with Ferrari..
Great.. I said it stank.. and stink it does!
Looks like McLaren are fed up with it too, not appealing. Whats the point. McLaren arnt allowed to appeal.
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Hmmm i dunno about that, wasn't rubens when he was caining it trying to catch up to the pack to sort the order? But Hamilton was well in the middle of the pack.
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"The FIA said Hamilton and McLaren could face further sanctions for the breach of article 151C."
At what point do people just say 'fsck this' and stop watching?
At what point do people just say 'fsck this' and stop watching?
If you even REMOTELY begin to suggest you are a true F1 fan. You are one of the single most biased posters on this board when it comes to Formula 1, and and out and out Ferrari fanboy.
You're a ****ing hypocrit and I'm damn sure you know it.
Calm it down a bit. Attack the ideas not the person
"The FIA said Hamilton and McLaren could face further sanctions for the breach of article 151C."
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"If McLaren beat Ferrari again, we will probably use this to knock a few more points off."
hahahahaa
So.. has the clarity of the situation changed for you (considering that you seemed to take machinauk's post as evidence)?Its funny isn't it, they took a decision which quite clearly is the correct decision under the circumstances (read machinauk's post earlier) but works against the LH/Mclaren fanboys so big sigh - big sigh for what??
It shouldn't matter who the decision was made against, a true F1 fan would support the correct decision, unless of course you support a team which encourages its drivers to lie to the powers that be. Im sure Alonso is smiling somewhere right now
McLaren didnt provide a full transcript of the radio and that is grounds for lying.. Why didnt the FIA/Stewards ask for the full transcript when they realised it wasnt complete? Because its easier to jump on McLaren and penalise them. It appears the actual incident is now rather clear, but the technicality of not providing a full transcript is the detail that the FIA have managed to jump on. Its BS.
Mclaren and Lewis lied to the stewards. Totally understandable penalty really. Mclaren need to stop leaving themselves open to receive such penalty's.
So, we need to stop Ref's in football from "meddling" too? Its the exact same thing.
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What exactly is in that article?
/insert pic of FIA holding a pair of balls with McLaren on
Seems like they didn't necessarily lie, they just didn't tell the whole story.
It's pretty dumb on McLaren's part. But then, they've had that whole 'occasional inteptitude' thing down pat for quite a while now. Just a shame that Hamilton is getting screwed out of a decent result by it.
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This result benefits Toyota as well. How about we say the FIA are biased in favour of Toyota? Or any of the other teams out there who aren't McLaren?
Of course this decision benefits Ferrari. But Ferrari are still sat there with a double DNF and no points on the board while BGP are sat with 18 points and a car that appears to be the fastest of them all right now.
It's pretty dumb on McLaren's part. But then, they've had that whole 'occasional inteptitude' thing down pat for quite a while now. Just a shame that Hamilton is getting screwed out of a decent result by it.
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This result benefits Toyota as well. How about we say the FIA are biased in favour of Toyota? Or any of the other teams out there who aren't McLaren?
Of course this decision benefits Ferrari. But Ferrari are still sat there with a double DNF and no points on the board while BGP are sat with 18 points and a car that appears to be the fastest of them all right now.
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Why would they need to tell the story. Surely the FIA should have just listened to the damn radio communications.
I think it is fair for McLaren to assume the FIA would have listened to the radio transmission and then presumable not having had to provide the exact same thing themselves?
I think it is fair for McLaren to assume the FIA would have listened to the radio transmission and then presumable not having had to provide the exact same thing themselves?
Hang on? How can "McLaren though the FIA had heard the radio convorsations" be classed as "McLaren deliberately lying to the FIA"? The stewards made a decision on incomplete evidence, then when they realised it and reviewed full evidence, rather than admit they made the wrong decision, they kick out McLaren for not telling them?!? Im sorry, but thats just retarded.