Australian GP 2009 - Race 1/17 (NOT in HD BTW)

Really pleased for Button and Brawn GP as a whole. I like Ross Brawn, I like Button even though he's been a bit of a journeyman for the last few years, I like Richard Branson and I like small/poor performing teams suddenly doing well. Overall really pleased.

Very disappointed for Hamilton and Kovalainen, but this would not be the first time a team plummets from the top of the grid to the bottom. Anyone remember Ferrari's 1980 "effort" after winning the championship with Scheckter in '79? Ouch.

Very much looking forward to tomorrow.
 
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Stupid noob question: Where does Branson fit into all this?

Virgin now sponsor Brawn GP.

Good little qualifying, certainly different from last year, think it seemed a foregone conclusion for the front row, really good to see Jenson Button at the top of the times, will be interesting to see fuel loads for everyone, surprised Ferrari so far down, thought one of them might have popped a top 5.

Really good to see Vettel up there though, obviously shows the RBR is a good car and will most likely be in the best position if the Diffuser ruling is changed. Surprised by the williams and toyota not being anywhere near the BGP car though in the end, I would think they would be running a bit heavier.

McLaren obviously not much pace, although Hamilton seemed to get it together a bit more in the first session only putting in the one lap. Dont think they have a hope of scoring though unless there is a lot of action like last year.

Cant wait until the race tomorrow. Hopefully be a good un with lots of overtaking.
 
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Virgin now sponsor Brawn GP

And will quite possibly become a title sponsor for the team in the coming weeks...Im expecting a red Virgin Brawn GP car in Malaysia or maybe white background with a lot of red on it!

Did someone say we will know the official fuel loads that the top 10 are carrying before the race?

EDIT - Anyone else think Ferrari & Mclaren have been victims of their own success? They obviously put a lot of effort in their 2008 cars and seem to have missed the boat on developing a 2009 car that can be on the pace.
 
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And will quite possibly become a title sponsor for the team in the coming weeks...Im expecting a red Virgin Brawn GP car in Malaysia or maybe white background with a lot of red on it!

Did someone say we will know the official fuel loads that the top 10 are carrying before the race?

Yep looks that way from reading Autosport. Think a red virgin car would look pretty good with White themes running through it. Although I expect it will be white with red so they dont clash with Ferrari.

Ye will find out tonight apparently about the fuel loads.
 
I did some numbers based on the difference between the time in Q3 and Q2 and based on when they first pitted last year. I came out with a number of about 0.09 secs difference per lap of fuel, using this I estimate the following first pits stops:

Button: 15 laps
Barrichello: 19 laps
Vettel: 19 laps
Kubica: 20 laps
Rosberg: 21 laps
Glock: 19 laps
Massa: 19 laps
Trulli: 21 laps
Raikkonen: 20 laps
Webber: 22 laps

All very approximate, and a pretty sloppy method, but I'll be interested to see how well it works :)
 
Aggghhh where can i watch full qualy replayed? i missed it :(

Edit: Red button it up on bbc 1 for anyone who missed it.. its just started showing the start again :D im gonna like this red button me thinks lol
 
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Aggghhh where can i watch full qualy replayed? i missed it :(

Edit: Red button it up on bbc 1 for anyone who missed it.. its just started showing the start again :D im gonna like this red button me thinks lol

my only tv with the red button has been hijacked by the kids lol :(

bbc need to be faster at putting it on iplayer! acording to the website you can watch it on a mobile phone already, they dont even have the highlights on the f1 website :(

it will be available on iplayer @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00j6b9y soon aparently
 
Excellent qualifying, it's hard to know where to start!
Butto obviously hasn't lost his fire, but I'm fully expecting some to dredge up the usual 'well hes in the best car' nonsense, and it's genuinely impressive to see the Brawns and their fairy story :)
BBC coverage was generally very good, but as mentioned in this thread I'm not a fan of Legards commentary - he's not very charmistic or interesting to listen to and doesn't seem to have a rapport with the (always) excellent Brundle. I'm almost missing Fat Head now (I never thought I'd say that).
The pundits seem ok, and Eddie seems pretty natural on camera although he was a bit of a kiss-arse to Brawn and Branson! Coultard seems a bit stiff, but I'm sure he'll relax into it,
 
I do feel sorry for Honda, a lot of their hard work and money is in that car and just when it was about to turn around they had to cut and run - if Brawn GP do do well this season a lot of questions will be raised regards that decision if its not wholly cost cutting...
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I think a car will be making it's way to japan so they can slap their own engine in it to see how fast it is. You wouldn't believe some of the conspiracies floating about on the f1 sites forums. People actually believe that Brawn manipulated the whole thing in the knowledge of how good the car was going to be. Laughable.

I bet Honda are regretting their decision to pull of F1 now. And what a turn round for Button. From possibly not having a drive to pole!

And yet people will still argue driver A is better than B because he beat C while B lost once to D. It's the car, it's all about the car yet people wet themselves over the drivers. The only semi reliable guague is against your team mate and the way some drivers are favoured other others even that isn't reliable. When the car is mega it's easy to drive smoothly.

Yep Duke I think the only one who has - Kudos mate - hope this is the start of the turnaround, all that promise BAR had all those years ago seems to re-appeared...

Dno about Azagoth though ;)

ps3ud0 :cool:

I've had Button in my sig since I joined these forums. It came about by natural progression from JV at BAR. I used to get slaughtered on gp.com for supporting button. I'm about to go bump some old threads :D
 
Sorry just, but have to vent about this season.....

**** YEAH - F1 IS BACK!!!!!!!

For me, an avid F1 fan for over 22 years, after perhaps nearly 10 years of fairly mundane track activity, F1 is back!!

Cars sliding around a bit, cars that look pretty, mixed results, mixed grids, a lack of predictibility......

NO ADVERTS!! And yes, THE CHAIN is back!!!

Can't wait for the race!!
 
Unless the Melbourne circuit has changed (It's the same as last year isn't it?) the times are quicker:
2008 qualifying: Hamilton pole - 1:26.714
2009 qualifying: Button pole - 1:26.202

It'll be interesting to see how Hamilton handles being at the back of the grid for (at least) the first few races - will he lose his fire?
 
thing is, Hamilton has played this game before, he fought his way up the grid numerous times in GP2

so ive no idea where this habit of him being crap under pressure has come from. He's shown he can handle it before, but now he's in an F1 car, it all seems to have gone out the window.

With any luck, now he's prooved himself and won it once, he will be a bit calmer second time round.
 
thing is, Hamilton has played this game before, he fought his way up the grid numerous times in GP2

so ive no idea where this habit of him being crap under pressure has come from. He's shown he can handle it before, but now he's in an F1 car, it all seems to have gone out the window.

With any luck, now he's prooved himself and won it once, he will be a bit calmer second time round.
Not with an inferior car and comparing his performances (not results) in his 2 years in F1 he was a far more accomplished driver in his debut year than last year - he (and McLaren) made quite a lot of unforced schoolboy errors which meant the championship went to the line...

So hes already proven second time round that he unlikely to be a bit calmer - especially with such a relatively poor car...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
There's an interesting poster on Atlas that seems to know a lot about the Brawn situation, seems Bernie has done a right number on the team....

"As we know Honda has now officially turned into Brawn GP. But not everything's done and dusted...

The FIA allowed the change in name on the basis that Brawn GP should be 'a new team'. These three words are crucial. Formula 1 teams are only allowed to change their name once every five years. For every other change in name (at the end of 2005 BAR was renamed Honda), the approval of all the other teams, as well as the commercial right holders of the sport (Ecclestone) have to give their approval. This time there was no unanimous acceptance. Not the teams (as suggested in the quoted post above) but probably Ecclestone was blocking things. The fact that Brawn GP is now a private team is a thorn in his flesh: what he hoped for were external investors (probably the reason why, for a certain period, Ecclestone himself was involved in the Honda negotiations with potential buyers - AFCA), which would have allowed him to plan things with the team in the long term thanks to the financial safeguard.

Without the unanimity Brawn GP can only enroll themselves as a new team (a new entry, using the words from the FIA). The standard fee for a new entry may have been waived but this may still have serious financial consequences. Prize money as well as television and marketing revenues are not rewarded to new entry-teams.

In total FOM divides $ 500 million over the teams. This amount of money, in turn, is divived in two columns. In the first column are the teams that have finished in the top nine twice in the past three years. Each team receives 10% of the grand total. The distribution of the money in the second column is based on the success the teams had in the preceding year. The best team (WCC) gets 20% of the $ 500 million, the worst team gets 3 %.

As an absolutely new team, Brawn GP won't receive anything from either of these columns.

And now Brawn GP can also forget the risk premium of € 35 million from Ecclestone (see very first quote in this post). From each team Ecclestone demands a written declaration of intent that says they'll stay in F1 for (at least the coming) five years. Red Bull didn't assign that decleration for Scuderia Toro Rosso because the team is to be sold. Brawn GP hasn't been able to sign that decleration either.

But the FOM money is already calculated in the first budget plans of Brawn GP. The Brackley based team should therefore be looking for sponsor money right away, or should try and make a compromise with Ecclestone, otherwise they may have a dificult time (also designing and developing the 2010 car) keeping its head above water."

Read AFCA's posts in this thread. Some very interesting stuff on the developement of the car and what had to be shelved.

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?postid=3527236#post3527236
 
*low whsitle*

Well, the F1 form-book has now been confirmed as having been well and truly upset!

Good to see both Ferraris haul themselves up into the top 10, gives them a shot at some points. Massa is "only" 0.8sec away from Button, so if something happens to Vettel and Kubica then he might get within sight of the BGP cars by the end of the race :D

Speaking of Vettel and Kubica - seriously impressive. With those two, Button and Barrichello, the Ferrari drivers with a bit of car improvement, Alonso with a bit of car improvement, and maybe even Hamilton if McLaren get into gear, it looks like F1 has a chance at producing a very wide open battle for the title. As long as TPTB don't **** it all up....

Lopéz - yep, Ferrari's downturn from '79 to '80 was pretty profound. As was their downturn from '61 to '62. And their run from '79 right through to 2000 without a drivers title despite having some very talented drivers all through that period. They'll be back ;)
 
thing is, Hamilton has played this game before, he fought his way up the grid numerous times in GP2

so ive no idea where this habit of him being crap under pressure has come from. He's shown he can handle it before, but now he's in an F1 car, it all seems to have gone out the window.

With any luck, now he's prooved himself and won it once, he will be a bit calmer second time round.

It comes from the fact that even in GP2 he had a fairly decent car. This time he has lard for a car (at the moment) so he won't be going anywhere quickly, lets see how many laps he can survive in 15th place before he goes kamikaze :D:D Should be great to watch mind ;)

Oh yeah crap under pressure comes from China 2007 :)
 
So pleased for Button, though to be honest I thought Rubens would nick pole. A shame not to see Webber further up the grid as well, but the Red Bull is clearly a quick car. KERS seems pretty useless so far, though I guess we'll have to see how it's used in the race before passing judgment...so excited now!
 
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