Torque converters don't suffer the continuity of drive issue due to the fact that they are a torque converter and thus keep spinning during shifts. I'm also not sure I've actually felt the phenomenon on a DCT either tbh.
You get far better continuity of torque from DCT or torque converter than you do from a manual, no matter how sympathetically you want to release your clutch pedal.
Happy to be corrected if wrong but i'm pretty sure most DCTs, including DSG, overlap the disengagement and engagement of the alternative clutches to provide a smooth, almost lossless, torque transition.
Happy to be corrected if wrong but i'm pretty sure most DCTs, including DSG, overlap the disengagement and engagement of the alternative clutches to provide a smooth, almost lossless, torque transition.
Ah just making sure I was getting what you meant - bit of a gap in my experience there including I've not spent a lot of time driving vehicles with DSG. It was more relevant to older and/or smaller engine automatics in my experience - driving V6s or V8s with usually a torque converter it hasn't been a factor really.
Albeit I've got fairly atypical power delivery on my truck but overtaking, etc. you almost don't even notice the gear changes.
Slush box torque converters sap from from the engine however, quite a lot too and usually are heavier than a manual box so before you even move you are at a disadvantage over a manual, it also would have a restricted top speed over the latter and longer mid range overtaking speed. Then again a DSG auto has no torque converter so its far quicker but still doesn't solve that issue which is key here that is driver involvement and feedback that a manual transmission provides that is absent with an auto
He is saying autos are unpredictable and don't react as to how the owner would like, high performance autos in race cars etc are a different kettle of fish and don't have this restriction imposed on them. Some people just don't get this whole auto manual thing, what they need to do is drive a few autos and drive a manual Honda Type R or S2000 or a Subaru WRX STi and take some notes
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Hmm interesting, do you think non of us have owner any cars you may consider viable to be able to comment
Chalk me up for a GT4 second hand and a scooby owned from new
Ive been in the fastest UK Ford as a passenger, circa 2003, well into the 180s
Ive got friends and had friends with rally cars, a mental 12k revving mini running well over 300bhp (im talking old mini here not modern BMW mini), highly tuned supra, 2x corvette etc
I suspect plenty on here have similar if not far better lists
It almost like you think everyone in motors is 12 and only know riding around in their mums micro or something
Of that list above only 1 was an auto (supra), it was poor as an auto I agree, but modern day boxes are just so much better
IIRC (it was 15 years or so ago) the autos took the higher power though that the manuals couldnt but I may have got that wrong now, one was far easier to keep working with high power and one was practically a grenade waiting to go off
Now manuals are better in highly situational positions, which is the point, the vast majority of the time they are simply not better
Most people wont care about that situation so they wont care a manual is better, most people dont care about the handling of a car on 10/10ths limit as they never drive that
Do you not find the lack of a direct clutch cable takes away the feeling somewhat compared to old direct cable clutches?
I find note taking simpler in an auto as it's easier to keep hold of the notepad when you don't need to use a hand to change gear
I seriously struggle with this. I can jump into an old car and drive it no issue, but I always find myself being nowhere near as smooth or having too many revs to get new stuff going. Absolutely detest anything like that, hence why I got a DSG. Plus, traffic jams... Much more stress free.
Problem with cables is they stretch over time, or rust and get sticky. Which can make them a bit sloppy.
A good manual isn't much hassle in traffic though. Unless it's a big old 80s supercar or something where you need arms like Popeye to change gears.
A good manual isn't much hassle in traffic though. Unless it's a big old 80s supercar or something where you need arms like Popeye to change gears.
Most torque converters have lockups these days, giving direct drive, so the losses are very minimal.
Very true, of course. But modern ones really are getting on-par with other boxes so the sapping power argument gets diminished somewhat, even though it keeps hanging around.All autos will suck some power as they need power to operate
Ive already replied. And have lots of notes.
the S2000 gearbox is an amazing manual but the M-DCT blows it away for use on a high Rev engine. Those downshifts to go fast in high revving engines get tedious and DCT removes that. Aswell as giving better performance in a direct comparison
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But there is no feedback other than hitting some paddles or pushing some buttons, I don't disagree that modern autos such as DCT ones are far quicker than a manual. In a straight line a DCT would win hands down but in a track and with many corners and overtakes involved it would be pretty close between say a DCT from a E92 M3 and a high performance 6MT
But there is no feedback other than hitting some paddles or pushing some buttons, I don't disagree that modern autos such as DCT ones are far quicker than a manual. In a straight line a DCT would win hands down but in a track and with many corners and overtakes involved it would be pretty close between say a DCT from a E92 M3 and a high performance 6MT
As I already said old skool torque converters sap power from the engine, modern DCT boxes don't - hence them having very rapid 0-60 times
No but I was quite surprised driving an auto for a bit how much more tiring driving a manual for commuting was in comparison even though you don't notice it when driving a manual.
But so do modern torque converters that have a lockup.
No, it wouldn't, the DCT would still be faster.
And you know this from experience on a track?
they still need power to run however.