Bad time to buy a high-end CPU?

[humbug]

One German retailer does not represent the market. Intel can't make enough CPU's to keep up with demand and are investing heavily into extra production capacity.

Amazon looks similar, i don't buy the reason AMD are outselling Intel, especially to this degree is because "Intel can't keep up with demand", AMD's market share is taking from Intel in every sector, even Steam's Hardware Survey which is packed with people on Intel system's that never upgrade sees AMD gaining against Intel.

Look around you, Ryzen everywhere....

When was the last time you've seen this much enthusiasm for people upgrading their systems? I haven't seen this since the AthlonXP days.

 

[Dave2150]

I primarily game in VR and have noticed a little bit of bottlenecking with my current CPU (6700K @ 4.6GHz and 2080ti). So I'm thinking a CPU upgrade is on the cards!

However, with the 3900X and the imminent 9900KS release it just seems just a bad time to buy? With the recent X299 price cut announcements will we see the consumer stuff coming down in price too? 3900X seems like a good option but prices are silly at the moment.

Anyone in the same boat and still going to buy or are you waiting it out?

Intel is still using the 4 year old Skylake on 14nm, AMD are only just competing with their brand new architecture and 7nm.

Once Intel release their new architecture on either 7, 10 or 14nm, they’ll crush all current CPU’s.

Now is a bad time to buy.

 

[humbug]

Intel is still using the 4 year old Skylake on 14nm, AMD are only just competing with their brand new architecture and 7nm.

Once Intel release their new architecture on either 7, 10 or 14nm, they’ll crush all current CPU’s.

Now is a bad time to buy.

Intel fans have been saying this for 3 years, the fact is AMD are steaming ahead while Intel are sat with their jaws on the floor wondering "How the #### did this happen to us, again????"

In IPC Zen 2 is already 10% ahead of Coffeelake, Zen 3 due in 6 months or so is rumoured to get yet another double digit bump in IPC.

Oh and i don't see any Coffeelake CPU's here until about half way down the stack, infact the 9900K is the only Coffeelake CPU able to keep its self out of the 50+ spoiler bin https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r20-benchmark-thread.18849380/

What's that at the top? yes, AMD's last generation Threadripper and its not even trying.

How quickly they fall.

 

[4K8KW10]

Intel fans have been saying this for 3 years, the fact is AMD are steaming ahead while Intel are sat with their jaws on the floor wondering "How the #### did this happen to us, again????"

In IPC Zen 2 is already 10% ahead of Coffeelake, Zen 3 due in 6 months or so is rumoured to get yet another double digit bump in IPC.

Oh and i don't see and Coffeelake CPU's here until about half way down the stack, infact the 9900K is the only Coffeelake CPU able to keep its self out of the 50+ spoiler bin https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r20-benchmark-thread.18849380/

What's that at the top? yes, AMD's last generation Threadripper and its not even trying.

How quickly they fall.

But also the frequency is 10% under, so of course 7nm intel chips will be interesting. The question is WHEN!

 

[TNA]

Amazon looks similar, i don't buy the reason AMD are outselling Intel, especially to this degree is because "Intel can't keep up with demand", AMD's market share is taking from Intel in every sector, even Steam's Hardware Survey which is packed with people on Intel system's that never upgrade sees AMD gaining against Intel.

Look around you, Ryzen everywhere....

When was the last time you've seen this much enthusiasm for people upgrading their systems? I haven't seen this since the AthlonXP days.

Yep. I would not have upgraded until Intel went 7nm in 2022 if not for Zen 2 personally. I probably would have still not done so if AMD had not been competitive. Selling my Intel gear and upgrading to Ryzen cost me £230 which is not bad. Could have been cheaper if I went for a B450 board.

 

[4K8KW10]

Amazon looks similar, i don't buy the reason AMD are outselling Intel, especially to this degree is because "Intel can't keep up with demand"

You don't buy it because it doesn't correspond to the reality. intel's sales are in decline, so way below their peak values, it's definitely not lack of manufacturing capacity, just a silly childing type of excuse to keep the prices inflated.
Also, isn't intel able to make as virtually as many chips as it wants?

 

[humbug]

Right exactly ^^^^

But also the frequency is 10% under, so of course 7nm intel chips will be interesting. The question is WHEN!

Which is more than Intel can Mhz with 10nm.

 

[Besty]

What's that at the top? yes, AMD's last generation Threadripper and its not even trying.

How quickly they fall.

They fell quickly but only after a 15 year run-up

 

[Dave2150]

Intel fans have been saying this for 3 years, the fact is AMD are steaming ahead while Intel are sat with their jaws on the floor wondering "How the #### did this happen to us, again????"

In IPC Zen 2 is already 10% ahead of Coffeelake, Zen 3 due in 6 months or so is rumoured to get yet another double digit bump in IPC.

Oh and i don't see any Coffeelake CPU's here until about half way down the stack, infact the 9900K is the only Coffeelake CPU able to keep its self out of the 50+ spoiler bin https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-official-ocuk-cinebench-r20-benchmark-thread.18849380/

What's that at the top? yes, AMD's last generation Threadripper and its not even trying.

How quickly they fall.

Last I checked, the 9900k was still the best performing gaming CPU, despite having a 4 year old architecture and still being on 14nm. That's pretty embarrassing for AMD IMO, though it's good they have finally got within 5-10% of Intel after all these years. I was really hoping the 3000 series could take the gaming crown from Intel, sadly they missed the mark

Once Intel get on 10nm or 7nm with their new architecture, or chiplets, AMD will be somewhere between bulldozer days and today.

Though the above only really concerns gaming PC's, for datacentre/Business, Intel are still in 99% of systems sold today. It's doesn't matter how well AMD do, as Dell and the likes simply don't sell AMD parts, lol.

 

[Rroff]

Last I checked, the 9900k was still the best performing gaming CPU, despite having a 4 year old architecture and still being on 14nm. That's pretty embarrassing for AMD IMO, though it's good they have finally got within 5-10% of Intel after all these years. I was really hoping the 3000 series could take the gaming crown from Intel, sadly they missed the mark

Once Intel get on 10nm or 7nm with their new architecture, or chiplets, AMD will be somewhere between bulldozer days and today.

Though the above only really concerns gaming PC's, for datacentre/Business, Intel are still in 99% of systems sold today. It's doesn't matter how well AMD do, as Dell and the likes simply don't sell AMD parts, lol.

To be fair AMD still on a fairly preliminary 7nm process though I would have expected them to do a little better with the 3000 series while Intel is on like the 4th or 5th revision (I lost count) of their 14nm.

 

[humbug]

Last I checked, the 9900k was still the best performing gaming CPU, despite having a 4 year old architecture and still being on 14nm. That's pretty embarrassing for AMD IMO, though it's good they have finally got within 5-10% of Intel after all these years. I was really hoping the 3000 series could take the gaming crown from Intel, sadly they missed the mark

Once Intel get on 10nm or 7nm with their new architecture, or chiplets, AMD will be somewhere between bulldozer days and today.

Though the above only really concerns gaming PC's, for datacentre/Business, Intel are still in 99% of systems sold today. It's doesn't matter how well AMD do, as Dell and the likes simply don't sell AMD parts, lol.

Between Coffeelake @ 5Ghz and Zen 2 at PBO its 5% in games.

As Roff pointed out Intel 14nm++++++++ is incredibly mature, this vs a fresh 7nm, its only the clock speed that gives them that almost 'margin of error' performance advantage in games, Intel's 10nm is already older, more mature than AMD's 7nm and yet they cannot match AMD's Mhz with it.

Your faith in Intel's magic turnaround is pretty doged at this point given its not happened in 3 years.

Have you seen AMD's EPYC Rome chips vs Intel best? Rome is 230% faster than Intel best platinum line while also using less power, offering far more memory bandwidth and capacity, far more PCIe Lanes in that package, That's Rome, Milan, Rome's replacement is not just design complete but already taping out.
That's how far behind Intel already are while AMD move forward at light speed, 10nm Intel they can't even get to anything like the same level as AMD on 7nm right now, its not going to fix that and by 7nm AMD will by on its 5'th generation Zen core 5nm.

 

[4K8KW10]

Last I checked, the 9900k was still the best performing gaming CPU, despite having a 4 year old architecture and still being on 14nm. That's pretty embarrassing for AMD IMO, though it's good they have finally got within 5-10% of Intel after all these years. I was really hoping the 3000 series could take the gaming crown from Intel, sadly they missed the mark

Once Intel get on 10nm or 7nm with their new architecture, or chiplets, AMD will be somewhere between bulldozer days and today.

Though the above only really concerns gaming PC's, for datacentre/Business, Intel are still in 99% of systems sold today. It's doesn't matter how well AMD do, as Dell and the likes simply don't sell AMD parts, lol.

The reasons behind this behaviour in gaming could be bad coding of gaming software which favours both intel's architecture and high GHz frequencies. And doesn't use more cores for physics and AI acceleration.

Also, don't forget that Ryzen 7 3700X is a 65W chip, and its in-gaming power consumption is around 40-45W or less, while i9-9900K is in reality an over-95W chip with in-gaming power consumption towards 70-75W.

 

[jigger]

Intel is still using the 4 year old Skylake on 14nm, AMD are only just competing with their brand new architecture and 7nm.

Once Intel release their new architecture on either 7, 10 or 14nm, they’ll crush all current CPU’s.

Now is a bad time to buy.

That is a really interesting way to look at the market. Maybe in 4 years Intel will compete again, but even that looks to be a maybe. Ryzen has beat Intel at every step.

 

[sideways14a]

Crush my ass ..... it will be a while before I start recommending Intel chips again.
Just wondering when we can start buying AMD through the university procurement schemes - looking forward to those sweet 6 and 8 core loveys coming.

 

[Dave2150]

Between Coffeelake @ 5Ghz and Zen 2 at PBO its 5% in games.

As Roff pointed out Intel 14nm++++++++ is incredibly mature, this vs a fresh 7nm, its only the clock speed that gives them that almost 'margin of error' performance advantage in games, Intel's 10nm is already older, more mature than AMD's 7nm and yet they cannot match AMD's Mhz with it.

Your faith in Intel's magic turnaround is pretty doged at this point given its not happened in 3 years.

Have you seen AMD's EPYC Rome chips vs Intel best? Rome is 230% faster than Intel best platinum line while also using less power, offering far more memory bandwidth and capacity, far more PCIe Lanes in that package, That's Rome, Milan, Rome's replacement is not just design complete but already taping out.
That's how far behind Intel already are while AMD move forward at light speed, 10nm Intel they can't even get to anything like the same level as AMD on 7nm right now, its not going to fix that and by 7nm AMD will by on its 5'th generation Zen core 5nm.

In regards to EPYC, doesn't matter how good it is, OEM's like Dell do not offer it. Take a look at Dell's website, it's 99% Intel only. Business/data centre rules the world, where AMD have a absolutely tiny presence, and will continue to do so due to Intel's influence. Sad but true

In regards to gaming, much the same as AMD VS NVIDIA, the majority just buy Intel. Intel's market presence is huge, plus they still have the gaming performance crown, whether that's 5% faster, or 10% faster in games, they are still on top. This filters down to the lower tiers, where even if someone can't afford an I9, they'll buy a I5 despite Ryzen being a better buy at that price.

I won't argue further as it's pointless, I just find it incredibly disappointing that Ryzen couldn't at least win the gaming performance crown before Intel's juggernaut rolls out their new architecture with 15%+ IPC, 5Ghz+ and chiplets. That will put them 20-30% ahead in performance across the board, with no hope now that Jim Keller's left.

 

[jigger]

In regards to EPYC, doesn't matter how good it is, OEM's like Dell do not offer it. Take a look at Dell's website, it's 99% Intel only. Business/data centre rules the world, where AMD have a absolutely tiny presence, and will continue to do so due to Intel's influence. Sad but true

In regards to gaming, much the same as AMD VS NVIDIA, the majority just buy Intel. Intel's market presence is huge, plus they still have the gaming performance crown, whether that's 5% faster, or 10% faster in games, they are still on top. This filters down to the lower tiers, where even if someone can't afford an I9, they'll buy a I5 despite Ryzen being a better buy at that price.

I won't argue further as it's pointless, I just find it incredibly disappointing that Ryzen couldn't at least win the gaming performance crown before Intel's juggernaut rolls out their new architecture with 15%+ IPC, 5Ghz+ and chiplets. That will put them 20-30% ahead in performance across the board, with no hope now that Jim Keller's left.

Lots (all?) of the big OEM firms are offering AMD in the enterprise market. AMD are even further ahead of Intel in enterprise than other markets. AMD are within the margin of error from Intel in gaming too, in fact in most scenarios AMD are better for gaming.

You seem to have a very distorted view of what’s actually happened over the last few years.

 

[Joxeon]

I won't argue further as it's pointless, I just find it incredibly disappointing that Ryzen couldn't at least win the gaming performance crown before Intel's juggernaut rolls out their new architecture with 15%+ IPC, 5Ghz+ and chiplets. That will put them 20-30% ahead in performance across the board, with no hope now that Jim Keller's left.

1080p gaming is all Intel has left and that will be going next year when 4000s arrives, if Intel had anything to respond with they wouldnt be doing another 14+++++ refresh.

 

[Grim5]

Why not go for a threadripper?

nah I'm good I'm after gaming performance

 

[Dave2150]

Lots (all?) of the big OEM firms are offering AMD in the enterprise market. AMD are even further ahead of Intel in enterprise than other markets. AMD are within the margin of error from Intel in gaming too, in fact in most scenarios AMD are better for gaming.

You seem to have a very distorted view of what’s actually happened over the last few years.

Such as?

Dell recently removed the few AMD systems they offered all together. Read up on how big Dell is globally

 

[ljt]

Such as?

Dell recently removed the few AMD systems they offered all together. Read up on how big Dell is globally

Eh? I can see 4 AMD Epyc single socket servers and 3 Dual socket enterprise servers on their site...