Soldato
Uhhmm, yes, quite so
I see what you're getting at, but I meant as a Ferrari fan. 1st and 2nd = perfect result.
Did the McLaren fanboys enjoy coming 3rd and 7th?
Bahrain Grand Prix 2010, Sakhir - Race 1/19
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I see what you're getting at, but I meant as a Ferrari fan. 1st and 2nd = perfect result.
Did the McLaren fanboys enjoy coming 3rd and 7th?
Because they are all rich old men who dont live in the real world like some in the FA that want play offs and an extra game abroad etc.
Polling the fans would be a good idea.
That is a very very good point. But given the lack of re-fuelling I think we will have to accept that there will be very little overtaking and providing your car has good reliability and you make no mistakes, you should be able to finish in the same order that you completed the first lap of the race in.
I was saying this all of last year that refuelling will have this effect, as it takes away a variable, which some teams could use to create an overtaking opportunity. With the cars so heavy, overtaking is more difficult.
The dependence on aerodynamic downforce is creating serious problems for overtaking. If you are 2s/lap faster than the car in front, you stand little chance of overtaking, due to the dependence of aerodynamic grip.
Apparently there is group of people called the Overtaking Working Group. These people advise the powers that be, as to what can be done to increase overtaking in F1. IMO, they should all be sacked as they havent seemed to have worked out yet that cars need more mechanical grip.
I see what you're getting at, but I meant as a Ferrari fan. 1st and 2nd = perfect result.
Did the McLaren fanboys enjoy coming 3rd and 7th?
I'm not a McLaren fanboy, but Hamilton is my fave driver. I think today's result was as good as McLaren could have expected, given that there 4 cars on the track which are (potentially) faster. I'm happy for Hamilton's 3rd - a great result for him.
As the season progresses, I have no doubt that McLaren will claw back the front runners. The problem for Hamilton is 'will McLaren improve in time for him to have a chance to win the 2010 championship'. Last year, although Hamilton was the highest points scorer in the 2nd half of the season, the damage in the 1st half of the season had already been done.
The overtaking working group (which include a lot of top names, including Ross Brawn) are the reason we have slick tyres back and the Snow Plow front wings and small rear wings. They are on the right track, but have a long way to go.
If I remember rightly Sunama we were on the samy hymn sheet last year? Removing refueling only works if you add in other variables, which they have failed to do.
The least they could do is scrap the tyres from qualifying rule. All the top 10 use the best (soft) tyre to qualify on, so all start on the soft tyre, so all pit at the same time..... wheres the logic in that?
They should have solved the grip balance by making the rear tyres fatter, not the front tyres thinner.
All in all, the right ideas, but executed wrongly and messed with to much fiddling.
Soldato
They did get rid of grooves to bring back full slicks!
I know what you mean though, they do seem to be overlooking the fact that aero is far too prominent. Both front and rear wings should be made much shallower, and limit diffusers massively!
Ross Brawn in the OWG raised the fact that the diffuser rules were too grey and would allow people to bend them, but they ignored him....
... so he turned up with the Brawn last year and showed them.
Its the age old problem of getting a group of different F1 people to agree...
And this is the quote of the season
Iv got that feeling that this season might only be worth watching for comical commentary with lines like "LOOK LOOK THEY ARE WITH A SECOND OF EACH OTHER" or "this is the closeist fight on the grid..." (this afternoon with rosberg catching vettel ish)
Soldato
They did well leapfrogging Rosberg, but going on pace and reliability, they would have easily been 3rd best after Ferrari and RBR, had RBR not had problems with both cars. They'll improve, but they can't leave it as late as last year.
I think they should have sprinklers which randomly come on for a period of time during the race. Now that'd make it a bit more interesting
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Glad I went to Old Trafford instead of watching this - I read the BBC report after getting home and didnt even bother watching the recording
At least Melbourne is a great track to start the season with - if all the new tracks are going to be as boring why bother in the first place (it may last a few years but then locals will realise just like the rest of us)
At least Melbourne is a great track to start the season with - if all the new tracks are going to be as boring why bother in the first place (it may last a few years but then locals will realise just like the rest of us)
+1
I also think that the format of the race itself needs a shake-up like they did for quali.
& get someone else to (re)design the boring circuits!
Soldato
KERS +2
I would love to see this perfected and introduced into road cars.
I would love to see this perfected and introduced into road cars.
They really shouldn't do that, why punish a driver thats better on his tyres and force him to stop. You shouldn't have any rules like that which force you to pit when you don't need to.
Its the tyre compounds that need sorting, not the number or forced stops. Let them choose which tyre they want, do not force them to use both compounds and soften both compounds right up.
Its early days the a few things need tweaking but yet again people are panicing when we have had enough of knee jerk F1 rule changes that don't do anything.
Until they stop them being so reliant on aero this will always be the case, regardless of pitstop numbers.
Kers only worked because a few teams where using it last year.
Man of Honour
How about, you can either have KERS (with more power), a small turbo, or a larger engine?
Also, we need engines that are more powerful than they need to be, instead of restricting them, so that everyone is always revving to the edge to even get close to someone.
Bring in more powerful engines, and you are putting more skill on the drivers to use that power...
Also, we need engines that are more powerful than they need to be, instead of restricting them, so that everyone is always revving to the edge to even get close to someone.
Bring in more powerful engines, and you are putting more skill on the drivers to use that power...
Soldato
Quite a boring race and as mentioned, possibly a sign of the season. I'm surprised about the KERS comments considing KERS ruined a number of races last season. KERS would only work if all teams used it and all used the same system.
Nice to see one of the new teams get both cars to the end. Would have been nice to see how far both HRTs would have got without Chandok crashing.
Nice to see one of the new teams get both cars to the end. Would have been nice to see how far both HRTs would have got without Chandok crashing.
This is my personal favourite story of the weekend *but I am biased...*
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE62D0GO20100314?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE62D0GO20100314?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
By taking away KERS and refuelling, they have removed 2 variables. The more variables you have, in general, the more exciting the racing. The fewer the variables, the more processional and boring the races will becomes.
Imagine what it would be like to have all cars, identical in performance, driven by drivers who are identical in performance, who all take their pit stop on the same lap, performed by a pit crew who complete the pitstop in identical times and so on. This scenario assumes no variables. The race would be a procession and the race order after lap 1 would be the same race order at the end of the race.
Seriously, we need more variables, not less.
Imagine what it would be like to have all cars, identical in performance, driven by drivers who are identical in performance, who all take their pit stop on the same lap, performed by a pit crew who complete the pitstop in identical times and so on. This scenario assumes no variables. The race would be a procession and the race order after lap 1 would be the same race order at the end of the race.
Seriously, we need more variables, not less.
KERS would work even if all teams used it. Its all about letting the driver use the skill required to press that button at precisely the right time.
As Fisichella showed last year, the KERS system is not easy to use and requires a high level of skill to be used effectively. Hamilton was by far and away the best at using it.
Hamilton was the best at using it because there system was far and away a better system than Ferraris. If they all had it within a few races the computers would find the best place to apply it when attacking and defending.
The ferrari Kers was pretty poor last year.
Refuelling had to go. Fans are not interested in seeing cars pass in the pitlane. I blame the teams they are the ones that can and should be pushing the cars away from such aero reliance, but when given the chance they would rather spend billions on such small gains.
Without the totally pointless aero war f1 would be so much cheaper and such a better spectacle.
For all the common parts in f1 they seem to want to introduce Id be much happier with a common body/wing shape and then let them do whatever they wanted with the engine with fewer engine restrictions.
The ferrari Kers was pretty poor last year.
Refuelling had to go. Fans are not interested in seeing cars pass in the pitlane. I blame the teams they are the ones that can and should be pushing the cars away from such aero reliance, but when given the chance they would rather spend billions on such small gains.
Without the totally pointless aero war f1 would be so much cheaper and such a better spectacle.
For all the common parts in f1 they seem to want to introduce Id be much happier with a common body/wing shape and then let them do whatever they wanted with the engine with fewer engine restrictions.