Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers
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Who are "they" in this case?
It baffles me how people don't get that distinction.
But the Equality Commission isn't the press, it was the Christian baker that went to the press. So maybe you should direct your ire at them instead?
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I do not do selective colouring, period. I think it is very out of date and I don't want it on my portfolio.
I've actually told client this at consultations, if thats the kind of photographs that they want, they are free to choose someone that does that. It's no skin off my nose. Because ultimately if I am forced to do it then my heart is not in it and it won't be good. It does more harm than good in the long run.
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But the bakers whining to the press is OK?
Pah, try the 30 years war, religious nutters dying by the tens of thousand, christianity religion of peace, er yeah.
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A sole trader is a business... Does it really make a difference if it's one person or two?
Anyway, the suggestion that those operating a business have to forfeit their personal beliefs mind-boggling. Why on earth should they do that? It might be pragmatic for them to remain non-partisan on such issues, but I cannot think of any rational reason for why they should have to give up their views.
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They wouldn't get away with it if they refused to decorate a cake with an African American image/logo so I don't see why this is any different!! It's still discrimination based on personal beliefs, if you want to be a bigot in your own time go ahead be an idiot!
However when you run a service open to the public then their should be certain anti-discrimination laws/rules to keep things fair and civilized, if it bothers you that much don't run a service that falls into this category.
However when you run a service open to the public then their should be certain anti-discrimination laws/rules to keep things fair and civilized, if it bothers you that much don't run a service that falls into this category.
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It's up to them. They're a private business, and can reject a customer's order for whatever reason they so wish. And they shouldn't have to share their reasoning.
The customer can vote with their feet and go to a competitor. If enough customer's do, then the business may need to take notice.
The customer can vote with their feet and go to a competitor. If enough customer's do, then the business may need to take notice.
LOL. And agree.
+1.
right but you can surely see the problem with that statement?
there were times when a store would refuse to serve you if you were black, sure you could go to another store but they'd turn you down too.
just want happens when most or all of the stores are turning you down?
You don't understand how anti discrimination laws work in this country do you?
The bakers should be able to choose if they want to make the cake regardless of what the reason is, they could have quite rightly refused just stating "We can't take any more orders at this time" and what else could have been said? Nothing. If someone wants to be a bigot, let them get on with it and move on with your life. At the end of the day they're the ones who lose out on the money and any future recommendations or purchases from the person they have refused, as well as loss of potential customers by said people leaving a negative review, then those people can take their business to another company who is willing to provide them with the service they require.
I don't understand why it needs to be escalated any further than that.
I don't understand why it needs to be escalated any further than that.
Seems like it's being made out to sound like the bakery are a bunch of Gay-haters, when in fact they are not, but are just sticking up for their beliefs which is a religious belief that a wedding is a union between a man and a woman.
I could understand the outcry if nobody would have made the cake (it got made elsewhere), or that the bakery had said that they hated gays and wouldn't stoop so low as to make any kind of cake for them but as normal it's been blown out of all proportion.
I'm in favour of anti-discrimination laws when it's needed, but a blanket policy means situations like this arise and makes you realise that a blanket policy doesn't work!
Asked to bake a cake.
Company agreed.
Customer required specific design.
Company refused to produce cake due to belief, offered full refund.
Customer accepted and got cake from another bakery.
That's it in a nutshell and not really something that needs all this song an dance about.
(For the record I'm an agnostic atheist and some gay family members so I don't have an issue with either side)
I could understand the outcry if nobody would have made the cake (it got made elsewhere), or that the bakery had said that they hated gays and wouldn't stoop so low as to make any kind of cake for them but as normal it's been blown out of all proportion.
I'm in favour of anti-discrimination laws when it's needed, but a blanket policy means situations like this arise and makes you realise that a blanket policy doesn't work!
Asked to bake a cake.
Company agreed.
Customer required specific design.
Company refused to produce cake due to belief, offered full refund.
Customer accepted and got cake from another bakery.
That's it in a nutshell and not really something that needs all this song an dance about.
(For the record I'm an agnostic atheist and some gay family members so I don't have an issue with either side)