Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers

cheesyboy said:
Who's forcing who to recognise it?

They're baking a ****ing cake, not consecrating a marriage.

And what discrimination are they facing anyway? Having their freedom to refuse service to people they wish to discriminate against isn't a hit on their rights
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They're being forced to produce something and write something that they don't agree with.

they are being told someone's sexuality trumps their religion.
 
Dis86 said:
They're being forced to produce something and write something that they don't agree with.

they are being told someone's sexuality trumps their religion.
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"They" are a limited company. Limited companies don't have beliefs, and certainly not ones which trump others' right to equality
 
cheesyboy said:
The mistake you're making is to fail to realise that refusing to service the gay equivalent of what you would happily do for straights is outright discrimination.

Request a straight wedding cake: OK
Request a Gay wedding cake: No

There's no reason that a baker should not be able to fulfil that gay cake order for practical reasons, and it's unfair to expect a section of society to have to put up with such denials of service.
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Not really, I'm not failing to realise it. The discrimination would be if they refused that service only to the gays. If a straight couple wanted that cake, and they served them, then it would be discrimination.
 
Well I disagree with the decision to fine the bakery and think its atrocious that the customer would even take it this far when he should have just shut his mouth and gone to another bakery. I think its disgusting political correctness that you can't even do business with who you want based on whatever factors you want. There is no need for government to force a business to make a gay cake. There is more than enough bakers who would make the cake, they should just go some where else.
 
anything I don't mind said:
Well I disagree with the decision to fine the bakery and think its atrocious that the customer would even take it this far when he should have just shut his mouth and gone to another bakery. I think its disgusting political correctness that you can't even do business with who you want based on whatever factors you want. There is no need for government to force a business to make a gay cake. There is more than enough bakers who would make the cake, they should just go some where else.
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Gays should just accept discrimination and quietly move on to somewhere that accepts their type?

Why?
 
lol, love all the hair-splitting and grasping at straws from all the closet Homophobes in here :rolleyes:


anything I don't mind said:
Well I disagree with the decision to fine the bakery and think its atrocious that the customer would even take it this far when he should have just shut his mouth and gone to another bakery. I think its disgusting political correctness that you can't even do business with who you want based on whatever factors you want. There is no need for government to force a business to make a gay cake. There is more than enough bakers who would make the cake, they should just go some where else.
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Said like a true ignoramus that has never suffered a single molecule of discrimination in their entire life :rolleyes:
 
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cheesyboy said:
Gays should just accept discrimination and quietly move on to somewhere that accepts their type?

Why?
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Gays should go to another bakery if the bakery does not want to put their message on a cake in the same way that any other rational person would go to another bakery if the baker refused to make the cake that they requested. Gays (should be) seen as no more special than any other group but because they are a members of the SJW oppressed group the equality commission gets on the case and it turns in to a whole ordeal.

You see what happens is this little gay man gets offended and then he hits the media and gays all around get together and think they are fighting for the freedom of all gays, when realy it is just a silly cake. They think that winning this cake battle against these humble Christians is like free slaves.

The way they speak about it, "this is a victory for gay rights every where" lol no its not, its a stupid message on a stupid little cake.
 
Dis86 said:
No. They are human beings. You should not give up your rights to go to work.
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And that's why you're struggling so hard with the concept.

This isn't some little old lady who makes cakes for friends and is horrified by the idea of homosexual relations.

This is a company - a separate legal entity offering services to the public. One of the "costs", if you see it that way, of doing business in our civilised society is that you are not allowed to discriminate on race, religion, sexual persuasion etc. Society believes in equality.

That doesn't diminish an individual's right to hold discriminatory views, but it does restrict how they can act on those.
 
Dis86 said:
They're being forced to produce something and write something that they don't agree with.

they are being told someone's sexuality trumps their religion.
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They've already exhibited a shallow attempt at following the tenets of their professed religion by wearing clothes of differing cloth and working on the Sabbath so someone's natural sexuality obviously trumps their so called religious beliefs, and having heard all of the evidence a judge concurred.
 
spoffle said:
Disagreeing isn't the same as not getting it.
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No, but claiming you do realise "that refusing to service the gay equivalent of what you would happily do for straights is outright discrimination", whilst then saying that the discrimination is actually in the case of if:
"they refused that service only to the gays. If a straight couple wanted that cake, and they served them, then it would be discrimination."
...is actually not realising it at all.

Refusing a gay version of an acceptable straight cake is discrimination. You seem to disagree.
 
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