Baroness Thatcher has died.

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Number_25 said:
You have to remember that her nasty party destroyed the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of people.
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They might have been working hard down a mine but for all intents and purposes they may as well have stayed at home and watched TV on benefits. They were operating a huge losses. It's no different than the government spending the money to have them watch TV.

Central planning does not work.
 
Just ban the scummers who can't show a bit of dignity.

On the plus side it will grow my ignore lost showing those who lack even basic skills as a human being :p

One of the best things for Thatcher will be time. Most people were emotionally involved and only hate her because she effected their lives and made it difficult for them. Then there are their silly children who merely parrot what their elders say. In time, and if history is taught correctly, it will show her actions stopped the country being (ultimately) a Greece.
 
hilly said:
Absolutely applies. You can say you didn't like Thatcher, not many would care; If you want to post that you didn't like her, or her party, or her political views, then that's fine. But at least put some context into why and show some respect for what is a grieving family and a dead old lady.

It's not much to ask.
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Why does someone of whom a great deal of people loathed during her life suddenly deserve respect now she has died? :confused:

Why do people have to put in to context their dislike? Surely that will lead to more bickering.
 
Craterloads said:
Whilst I personally have nothing against her as ultimately was before my time I'm a firm believer in respecting the dead anyway.

What I would question is, where were all the mods and bleeding hearts during the Amy Winehouse thread and many others pretty much celebrating the deaths of people? Where's the arguments for "black humour" and this is how British people deal with tradegy or death. And the why treat with respect after death if not earned whilst alive arguments.

It seems a bit selective in who we are supposed to treat with respect after death, based on the personal feelings of some posters and mods rather than a universal application regardless of whom the dead person is.
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This. The thread is pointless, it may as well be renamed to "post your respect for Thatcher" as any post containing the slightest amount of hate towards the woman gets deleted.
 
Craterloads said:
Whilst I personally have nothing against her as ultimately was before my time I'm a firm believer in respecting the dead anyway.

What I would question is, where were all the mods and bleeding hearts during the Amy Winehouse thread and many others pretty much celebrating the deaths of people? Where's the arguments for "black humour" and this is how British people deal with tradegy or death. And the why treat with respect after death if not earned whilst alive arguments.

It seems a bit selective in who we are supposed to treat with respect after death, based on the personal feelings of some posters and mods rather than a universal application regardless of whom the dead person is.
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No-one was celebrating Amy Winehouse's death. They were joking about it. Joking I don't mind, better to light a candle than curse the darkness and all that, but actively going out of your way to celebrate the death of someone is a bit off tbh.
 
I have actually met Maggie Thatcher

(The Spitting Image Character)

Nonetheless

RIP

I can't say that I knew much about her work, maybe I was too young to appreciate the efforts in the politics that she undertook during those years.
 
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But the key point is this: those who admire the deceased public figure (and their politics) aren't silent at all. They are aggressively exploiting the emotions generated by the person's death to create hagiography. Typifying these highly dubious claims was this (appropriately diplomatic) statement from President Obama: "The world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty, and America has lost a true friend." Those gushing depictions can be incredibly consequential, as it was for the week-long tidal wave of unbroken reverence that was heaped on Ronald Reagan upon his death, an episode that to this day shapes how Americans view him and the political ideas he symbolized. Demanding that no criticisms be voiced to counter that hagiography is to enable false history and a propagandistic whitewashing of bad acts, distortions that become quickly ossified and then endure by virtue of no opposition and the powerful emotions created by death. When a political leader dies, it is irresponsible in the extreme to demand that only praise be permitted but not criticisms.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette?CMP=twt_gu
 
A truly great individual. Whether you recognise greatness with the morality of decisions or in the reflection of your own opinions, she displayed great courage and determination. Her actions and words will always be defining, and her place as one of the 'greatest' politicians of the last century is assured.
 
Shayper said:
No-one was celebrating Amy Winehouse's death. They were joking about it. Joking I don't mind, better to light a candle than curse the darkness and all that, but actively going out of your way to celebrate the death of someone is a bit off tbh.
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Jokes have been made in this thread and they seem to have been rather well received. I thought they were funny anyway. Joking is a quintessentially British response to morbidity. Being a hateful little so-and-so isn't.
 
and can people get a bit of perspective here. Do you really believe she drew up those policies with malice aforethought? Do you think she intended and relished in the thought of damaging peoples livelihoods?

She did what she did for the good of the country as a whole. Its absolutely ridiculous to compare her to child killers and mass murderers.
 
Craterloads said:
Whilst I personally have nothing against her as ultimately was before my time I'm a firm believer in respecting the dead anyway.

What I would question is, where were all the mods and bleeding hearts during the Amy Winehouse thread and many others pretty much celebrating the deaths of people? Where's the arguments for "black humour" and this is how British people deal with tradegy or death. And the why treat with respect after death if not earned whilst alive arguments.

It seems a bit selective in who we are supposed to treat with respect after death, based on the personal feelings of some posters and mods rather than a universal application regardless of whom the dead person is.
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Not that I am defending it, but Winehouse didn't respect her own life so it's not hard to see why other people wouldn't.
 
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hilly said:
It goes without saying, she was a controversial figure, during a controversial time. However, if you want to comment about her, then just do so respectfully; You can state you opinions be it positive, or negative and put it across in a way which you don't relate to name calling, or petty behviour - See http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=24082154&postcount=238 for a perfect example.

BuffetSlayer doesn't like Thatcher, but puts his opinions across in such a way that it doesn't show distaste and that's the key thing. Moderators won't delete opinions which aren't crass, or distasteful, but will delete ones which relate to petty name calling, disrespect of a person and family who has just lost a loved one, or posts which break the boundaries of taste.

Keep it polite and on topic and there's no reason for moderation - even if you disagree with what she did for the country (or didn't do).
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How very dare you. I have kept the up most of respect for her on this thread - regardless of what my true feelings are toward the former PM.
 
hilly said:
Absolutely applies. You can say you didn't like Thatcher, not many would care; If you want to post that you didn't like her, or her party, or her political views, then that's fine. But at least put some context into why and show some respect for what is a grieving family and a dead old lady.

It's not much to ask.
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It's a lot to ask of some of the mindless posters who have reared their ugly heads today.

I have to say the Hitler comparisons among others are just ridiculous.
 
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