I was working, paying a mortgage and doing very well.
So how were you doing and who did you vote for?
Baroness Thatcher has died.
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I was working, paying a mortgage and doing very well.
So how were you doing and who did you vote for?
That makes sense. Of course you would like her if you were in the position to benefit from her policies.
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I'm sure people have their positive stories about government policy during the 80's and 90's, all I'm saying is that it was not a bed of roses for all.
Let's be honest she won 2 general elections with only 20% of the vote so clearly she wasn't as popular as you all think.
I just find it weird for those who were adults during the early 80's that they choose to ignore some of the facts that we faced during our daily lives - rioting up and down the country, doctors and nurses on strike due to closures, the negative equity in property which mortgage owners were saddled with for a minimum of 10 years, the cost of services rising and then hitting our pay packets as the taxman got greedy.
You could call me successful today but that is not down to a single policy MT brought in.
PS. New Labour was to the right of MT
PPS. MT was chased out by her own cabinet
Let's be honest she won 2 general elections with only 20% of the vote so clearly she wasn't as popular as you all think.
I just find it weird for those who were adults during the early 80's that they choose to ignore some of the facts that we faced during our daily lives - rioting up and down the country, doctors and nurses on strike due to closures, the negative equity in property which mortgage owners were saddled with for a minimum of 10 years, the cost of services rising and then hitting our pay packets as the taxman got greedy.
You could call me successful today but that is not down to a single policy MT brought in.
PS. New Labour was to the right of MT
PPS. MT was chased out by her own cabinet
She closed down the only part of British Steel that WAS making a profit(where I worked) and made the area a ghost town.
No jobs..no money..no house. I voted with my feet as 100,000s did and left the UK a few years later.
My Dad's back was broken during one of the London prison riots as he tried to get the situation under control.
I wouldn't call myself a 'fan' but I do have some respect for her and I find all of the people celebrating her death to be extremely tasteless and cringeworthy.
Why? She ruined many lives. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie is having a few more whisky's than usual, from what I've seen he absolutely despised her.
Especially being so passionate about football with her utter contempt for the sport and her clear role in the Hillsborough cover-up, whether it being directly involved or turning a blind eye I don't know how you could respect the woman before even looking what she did to everything outside football.
What is cringeworthy is a state funeral.
Apparantly Ding Dong, The Witch is Dead is currently number 1 on the itunes chart
apple users jumping on a trendy bandwagon? im shocked.
There's more to life than football (surprising, I know
). None of this is black and white, she did things right and she did things wrong.The celebrating of a death in this fashion is just extremely poor form and it sadly leaves me to draw rather negative conclusions about those doing so.
There's more to life than football (surprising, I know
The celebrating of a death in this fashion is just extremely poor form and it sadly leaves me to draw rather negative conclusions about those doing so.
True, there are 96 peoples lives who would still be blamed for their own death along with their fellow fans if it was up to Thatcher.
Also you should go look up some of the stuff on Ferguson on Thatcher, pretty interesting how it affected him, seems to have a lot of contempt for her.
Also plenty of horrendous peoples deaths are celebrated in this fashion and nothing is said because usually they are murderous corrupt leaders or whatever, but Thatcher just ruined peoples lives in different ways, I don't really view it as anything negative from those people celebrating, I'm not but to say I don't feel happy for a lot of people would be lying, should've served time for the Hillsborough thing alone, at least the truth came out before she died although I doubt she felt **** all remorse.
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How about being on a YTS wage of £28.50 per week and being told you had to pay full Poll Tax as you where not due a rebate because you where working full-time. Yep, thanks Maggie.
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My beef is more people being left to rot after the pits closed rather than the strike itself. Subsidised puts were draining money and the change had to be made but whole communities were left to decay.
The difference being, is that you can't compare someone dragging a largely unwilling militant work force out of the dark ages and into the modern era, with the actions of Hitler or Pol Pot.
Oh I agree entirely, but there does seem to be a bit of blaming Thatcher for all ills rather than aportioning blame correctly.
Do you know for a fact that she knew what was going on and then purposefully blamed the fans?
If you have facts then great, but I think it a lot more likely that she was hoodwinked along with everyone else by the police force. It was a hard situation and if you had the police force on one hand telling you one thing and fans on the other (who rightly or wrongly had a reputation for hooliganism, and I mean all fans not just Liverpool) you cannot particularly blame her for the choice she made.
Retrospect is a great thing but I think it's niave to make her out as complicit in the deaths. I know it's an emotive such eft but it just snacks of another stick to beat Thatcher with.
As I say if there's documented proof I will happily rescind what I said.
People seem to be ignoring the fact that Labour did sod all to "fix" the issues while they were in power as well. They didn't restore milk for kids for example yet people still bang on about "milk snatcher".
Also, there are some pretty shocking posts about Thatcher on facebook from people I thought were a bit more balanced and sensible. Quite embarassing, frankly.
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Just as an aside, I found this quite an interesting read ( LINK ) - You have to scroll down the page a bit before getting to the text - it starts on page 145.
It is not complete, and a lot of pages are missing but it at least gives some facts and figures as well as what seems to be a fairly neutral stance. The 'coal in context' section further down seems to show an industry at odds with every other, both in costs and output. The extent of the subsidy (investment?) appears highly inflated, but the overall picture is of an industry that was already in decline long before 1984/85.
I might try and source a hard copy. It appears unavailable in digital form
It is not complete, and a lot of pages are missing but it at least gives some facts and figures as well as what seems to be a fairly neutral stance. The 'coal in context' section further down seems to show an industry at odds with every other, both in costs and output. The extent of the subsidy (investment?) appears highly inflated, but the overall picture is of an industry that was already in decline long before 1984/85.
I might try and source a hard copy. It appears unavailable in digital form
Cameron said Thatcher was informed by her secretary of the deceitful behaviour the SYP were committing, whether she knew the ins and outs and don't know but at best she turned a blind eye which is disgusting
Yes I'm sure it was hard to believe the thousands of fans all saying the same thing vs some police, I mean all those thousands of fans must've been trying to protect those who apparently caused the deaths of their loved ones and fellow fans????
Did she drag them? I mean seems like she just abandoned a lot of places and left them to rot.
I agree things needed to change drastically, but the manner it was done in seems fairly disgraceful based on what I've read and fortunately I never had to live through the hardships from it and it didn't affect my family so all I have is reading articles on the internet and opinions.
Are there any really well off people on here who dislike her? I've certainly seen the rich giving her a bit of a rimjob on here at times
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The Hillsborough families have asked for full disclosure of any documents to see if she had a role in the cover-up.
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