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My agenda is nothing more than not wanting a thread descending into mud slinging which it clearly has.
What other agenda might I have ?
Baroness Thatcher has died.
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My agenda is nothing more than not wanting a thread descending into mud slinging which it clearly has.
What other agenda might I have ?
So you read about it but didn't live it oh hum
You come across like she did "my way or the high way" "my ball ect"
What's the problem with people telling the truth and their opinions?
It's only the few MT lovers that are moaning like little kids and 96% was to young to even know what it was like.
I know plenty of people that did 'live it', none of them had an issue.
Then I know a few other people, even some ex-miners, who regurgitate the same old rubbish repeatedly because they love to blame everyone else for their problems.
Oh the irony.
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Summed it up for me.
I lived through it and the time was not good during the 80's. Record high unemployment, record high inflation, closures of hospitals and schools let alone any manufacturing that was left.
The de-regulation is a legacy that is left for all of us to enjoy - NOT !
Rampant capitalism which exposed the country to massive amounts of debt - housing bubble (we really didn't learn a thing), social housing has now come back to bite, finance industry giving away free money to those who couldn't afford it.
Her motto was "get yourself rich and ignore the rest". Guess what the true wealth went to the top 1% and rest of us were given crumbs to feel like we were part of her dream.
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My salary in 1982 was just under £4000pa or £77pw. Out of which I bought a terraced house on a 95% mortgage at interest rates of >8%. Paid all my bills, had probably a couple of quid left over for a Friday night out.
I have personal memories of the city in the late eighties / early nineties as I worked in the construction industry on the Limehouse link tunnel to the Isle of Dogs. I lodged on a barge at Heron quays, Canary Wharf, adjacent to a wine bar. It was usually full on an evening with city types spending a fortune on wine and vodka, but it was a very small section of the population and could not be called representative of eighties Britain.
If Margaret Thatcher had not come into power in the eighties, Britain would have been a much poorer country and held to ransom by trade union bosses. She inculcated a sense of personal responsibility which I have followed. over the years since. Apart from a mortgage I have never borrowed on credit or taken out debt. I have always thought about not spending what I have not earned.
It is a pity that the boom has been continued mainly on consumer credit or debt which I am sure has led to present problems. It was much harder then to obtain credit for anything and the lender required a deal more information and collateral to provide it. Thus most debt was secured.
As for number one records, who really gives a ****, it is for puerile minds and teenyboppers and the only people hurt by it are her family.
Probably but it is rather amusing to listen to the children of Thatcher telling the truth and how it really was. I wonder if many of the opinions were handed down by their parents. I'd let the debate continue.
Well get them to join this great forum and post then. "irony" ?
I had a family and a mortgage when she was in power so Yes I do know.
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No problem with that. The problem I and others have is when personal insults start flying around as well as speaking ill of someone who is dead.
As said, I live and work in the north east and while I was lucky as my dad moved from working in the pits to welding long before the pit strike, I saw many friends and family suffer terrible hardship and still see the fall out in many an old pit village which fell into decay. Me and my mates used to sit on the wall of the local colliery and watch the cops and miners battle, see large SCAB slogans painted on walls where buses containing strike breakers travelled along and saw families and longstanding friendships ripped apart and some still don't speak after 30 years.
I am not Mrs Thatcher's biggest fan by a long way but I don't effectively take a leak on her grave and I don't sling insults as members here.
This, I hope, clarifies my " agenda. "
You can't accuse other people of childish behaviour when you pop up with:
So you're saying everyone with a family and mortgage had a problem with her...? Surely you can see the futility of that statement.
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The Signing Off album was anthem of the 80's, this track sums up MT
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Excellent post.
well i lived through it and remember it differently.
times were hard but only because of the legacy of the 70's. To suggest that people were worse off in the 80's than in the 70's is not true imo.
Also, you will find that the debt came from the previous labour government. Under thatcher we had no deficit at all and were in fact paying off the debt for a few years. We had a small housing bubble which then corrected - nothing like we had under new labour.
The general standard of living throughout the 80's increased for the majority of people - that is simply a fact.
Maybe people should step back and think why she is getting so much praise. Why she was one step away from getting a state funeral - a very big deal. Why people are calling her the greatest peace time prime minister in the last 100 years.
Maybe they are right and you are wrong?
Well so did i and it was a great time to be young, especially after the misery of the 70s and he militant unions breaking the govement at will. With Thatcher everything became dynamic, old boy networks fell and it became about you taking responsibility for yourself. Led to the excesses of the yuppies of course but not limited to that. The harry enfield loadsamoney character was accurate, everyone had access to it, but you had to work for it. You could no longer rely on the state or your closed community to just hand it to you. That was never going to be universally popular of course.
Thatcher had been briefed on SYP's deceitful behaviour from her private secretary, but I mean she would've had football removed from England if she could have so it is always easy to go along with blaming them lazy hooligan Scousers.
I don't quite understand your second sentence, you might have to dumb it down a bit for me.
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Lots of hatred for Thatcher here and I'm one of them but I wish people celebrating her death could have done so in private, not for her but her children and grandchildren, they must be horrified to see their mom and grans death celebrated on the streets.
I hated the woman and while I have no sympathy for her, I can't help feeling sadness for her offspring.
I hated the woman and while I have no sympathy for her, I can't help feeling sadness for her offspring.
I do wonder why Thatcher gets the blame for this. It was the NUM that encouraged the strikers to be aggressive and unforgiving towards non-strikers.
I'm telling facts you are telling your opinion from reading.
Well with the biggest house repossessions\crime was doubled in her time I would have to say YES.
Oh I forgot when she closed a lot of the mental hospitals and those people started to hurt other people or kill themselves do you know what she said?
"It's not because we closed down mental hospitals it was because they forgot to take their meds" wtf
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