*** Battlefield 1 ***

GPortal, (our Oaks server provider), has just informed us that they won't be providing any BF1 servers. In fact NO providers will be selling/renting BF1 servers in the traditional way they do now.

Instead MS Azure, Amazone, AWS and i3d will provide server resources to DICE for selling on to communities directly; there will be limited access to server settings adjustments and NO procon (and I guess any alternative) option. So basically identical to the console model they deployed for BF4.

I've no reason to doubt what he's told us is accurate and I guess there's time for EA to change their minds - but this is going to kill a LOT of Battlefield communities, with lack of server admin control, imo.
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I would link the site but there is some very strong language on it in response to to this crazy decision.

This has totally killed any hype i have for the game.

No procon will probably mean really badly balanced games. Imagine 2 clan squads using VOIP on one side and the other side are solo pugs :(

This just reminds me of when Activision removed dedicated servers from COD and destroyed the PC community.

Also i think it is bad knews on the hacking front. I very much doubt EA/DICE will allow admins to kick players for hacking/abusive behaviour and just rely on fairfight and punkbuster to do it's job. (which we know half the time it doesn't).

Another step towards turning their backs on PC gamers.
 
I'm not going to throw my toys out of my pram yet, after all this very thread had a reliable source saying that there was going to be another map added to beta. I will wait and see what the official word is on it before I scream that the heavens are falling.
 
If true.... BF 1 will be cheaters paradise then...

Bad decision but then again, good decision in some ways, no more stupid server choice i.e.

- fast spawn vehicle
- stupidly high ticket rounds
- only 1 or 2 maps on rotation
- stupid k/d etc. limits
- ban/kick for using certain weapons
- getting kicked for VIPs

etc. etc.
 
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Agreed but this started to happen during BF4. I was running a server and after every patch they were closing off certain modding tools within procon.

A lot of the clans talked about it at the time and it was felt this was what was going to happen.
 
Nexus18 said:
If true.... BF 1 will be cheaters paradise then...

Bad decision but then again, good decision in some ways, no more stupid server choice i.e.

- fast spawn vehicle
- stupidly high ticket rounds
- only 1 or 2 maps on rotation
- stupid k/d etc. limits
- ban/kick for using certain weapons

etc. etc.
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You used the word "Choice" so you would rather have no choice and have loads of servers all the same ?

that maybe so for yourself. But many people want a bit of variety for their money.

You sound to me as if you do not read server description before you enter a server than moan about it. Like you said the word "Choice" it is your choice if you wish to join those types of servers or official EA based servers.

The problem here is it is going full console control.

It will kill off clans and BF communities that have been around for years and years. No clan in their right mind is going to rent a server that they have no/limited control over.

A 64 player servers costs over £500 a year and that is without certain extras.

You seem to be thinking about yourself. I am more concerned about player base and the PC BF community.
 
Shame someone obviously doesn't understand what drives PC gaming, communities within it and the competitive scene. Seems like something of a money grab so hopefully backfires spectacularly on them.

Infact if they take that direction I'd strongly urge people not to buy it as it is quite detrimental in the long term for PC multiplayer gaming.
 
Rroff said:
Infact if they take that direction I'd strongly urge people not to buy it as it is quite detrimental in the long term for PC multiplayer gaming.
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I can see what you're saying but I can only speak for myself and there is no way, under any circumstances, that I would decide to not buy a game that I have fun with because a random stranger (no offense intended) has told me not to on a forum. I prefer to make my own decisions ;)
 
totally agreed. I guess i am old and come from the time when modding was great for gaming. 256 player servers load of mod created maps. Back in the day haha.

If this is the way it goes it sounds like a money grab. EA will bulk rent servers from server providers at a discount. Then they will sell them for the full price clans are used too.

yep didn't put this up with trying to tell people to buy or not. It is up for people to make there own decision. It is just so concerning to me that PC gaming is once again being dragged in line with console controlled gaming.
 
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Tombstone said:
I can see what you're saying but I can only speak for myself and there is no way, under any circumstances, that I would decide to not buy a game that I have fun with because a random stranger (no offense intended) has told me not to on a forum. I prefer to make my own decisions ;)
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Hence I used the word urge ;)

Having seen the changes from the days of Quake 1-3, etc. and the modding and communities built up around custom servers and the competitive scene and how things have gone with way things went with COD and especially BF4 I have a fair idea what it will end up looking like in the future :S
 
Hmm killing off dedicated servers sounds like a truly terrible idea. In BF4 I avoid official servers like the plague for two key reasons.

1) The auto balancer that lets you get to near the end of the round where your squad has done all the work, and suddenly you're killed and team switched to the losing team
2) Custom servers tend to have admins, and admins can kick/ban players without waiting for PB or fairfight to catch up with them.

If I was trying to run a semi competitive clan, I'd be even more angry as it would make it harder to setup custom server rules for scrims or practice.

The more they try to find "innovative" was to monetise the game, the more they kill it.

I stopped playing COD because they killed dedicated servers and modding. BF was my bolthole.

I think my pre-order might be about to be cancelled.
 
HazardO said:
Hmm killing off dedicated servers sounds like a truly terrible idea. In BF4 I avoid official servers like the plague for two key reasons.

1) The auto balancer that lets you get to near the end of the round where your squad has done all the work, and suddenly you're killed and team switched to the losing team
2) Custom servers tend to have admins, and admins can kick/ban players without waiting for PB or fairfight to catch up with them.

If I was trying to run a semi competitive clan, I'd be even more angry as it would make it harder to setup custom server rules for scrims or practice.

The more they try to find "innovative" was to monetise the game, the more they kill it.

I stopped playing COD because they killed dedicated servers and modding. BF was my bolthole.

I think my pre-order might be about to be cancelled.
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I am also thinking the same (not saying that to suggest others do it is just my opinion). But what i posted was only a reply from a BF4 server provider and has not yet been confirmed from Dice.

I just wish someone from EA/Dice would come out and confirm or deny.
 
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Rroff said:
Hence I used the word urge ;)
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Quite true ! :)

I'd urge everyone to wait until something official is said before grabbing pitchforks and lighting torches. Lets face it, we have all been here before and been through releases before and we've all read a hundred and one pre-release rumours sourced from some internet forum post. Our nation is famous for its Keep Calm saying, so I'm going to opt for a Keep Calm and wait for official words ,approach :D
 
raven-uk-1 said:
You used the word "Choice" so you would rather have no choice and have loads of servers all the same ?

that maybe so for yourself. But many people want a bit of variety for their money.

You sound to me as if you do not read server description before you enter a server than moan about it. Like you said the word "Choice" it is your choice if you wish to join those types of servers.

The problem here is it is going full console control.

It will kill off clans and BF communities that have been around for years and years. No clan in their right mind is going to rent a server that they have no/limited control over.

A 64 player servers costs over £500 a year and that is without certain extras.

You seem to be thinking about yourself. I am more concerned about player base and the PC BF community.
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Personally the server "choice" has been one of the reasons why all the previous BF games have been killed for me: bf 3, 4 + hardline, this is more evident since they are at the end of their life due to the listed reasons, mainly stupid ticket amount, fast spawn and usually only 1-2 maps on rotation, combine this with me playing with at least 5+ other people where I/we have to find a server that one of us aren't banned from (usually due to some badadmin) and that has space for us (more so if we want to get on the same side), it just hit the point where we spent more time trying to find a good server that didn't have any of the above than playing the game and then when we do finally get into a good server, one of us, usually me... would get kicked to "make room for VIP"... I don't mind being kicked to make room for clan members.

There are only 3 reasons why I would want custom servers, vote map (not overly bothered about though), for the stupid auto balancer to be turned off and for admins being able to ban cheaters, everything else is just a nuisance/annoyance to the game/servers imo and I think with the 10+ others I play with, they would mostly agree with the above in regards to servers going to **** after a certain period of time.

Now, I definitely wouldn't want to see all control completely eliminated, however, I would like to see some limitations put in place, mainly to avoid the stuff I listed.

Just looking at bf 4 now and the majority of the server choice is utterly retarded, fast spawn, 3200 tickets, golmud, lockers or whatever 24/7... and for BF 3, it is even worse. If that is what the majority of people like to play these days then what can I say, the BF franchise is doomed :p

And no, I try/tried to look at server description before I join as usually I would have 5-10 others joining on me so would want to avoid the queuing and the inevitable alt-f4 etc. only to look for another server with a fresh round and 5+ slots... but unfortunately, not all server owners put the required info. in the title.
 
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The autobalancer is absolutely daft in BF4 lol - if you push hard at the start and put your team on the advantage 9 times out of 10 it will then move you to the other team - which is a slap in the face for your effort and too early to really see what the rest of the team is capable of - but atleast it does it early enough you have a chance to turn things around on your new team I guess. Alternatively if you push against the tide and are instrumental in a come back it will normally switch you to the losing side near the end without enough time to turn things around for the team you are now on :(
 
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Personally the server "choice" has been one of the reasons why all the previous BF games have been killed for me: bf 3, 4 + hardline, this is more evident since they are/were at the end of their life due to the listed reasons, mainly stupid ticket amount, fast spawn and usually only 1-2 maps on rotation, combine this with me playing with at least 5+ other people where I/we have to find a server that one of us aren't banned from (usually due to some badadmin) and that has space for us (more so if we want to get on the same side), it just hit the point where we spent more time trying to find a good server that didn't have any of the above than playing the game and then when we do finally get into a good server, one of us, usually me... would get kicked to "make room for VIP"... I don't mind being kicked to make room for clan members.

There are only 3 reasons why I would want custom servers, vote map (not overly bothered about though), for the stupid auto balancer to be turned off and for admins being able to ban cheaters, everything else is just a nuisance/annoyance to the game/servers imo and I think with the 10+ others I play with, they would mostly agree with the above in regards to servers going to **** after a certain period of time.

Now, I definitely wouldn't want to see all control completely eliminated, however, I would like to see some limitations put in place.

PS at the start you say "killed for me" once again i am not talking about my personal choice of server but more woried about the community base.

Just looking at bf 4 now and the server choice is utterly retarded, fast spawn, 3200 tickets, golmud, lockers or whatever 24/7... and for BF 3, it is even worse. If that is what the majority of people like to play these days then what can I say, the BF franchise is doomed :p

And no, I try/tried to look at server description before I join as usually I would have 5-10 others joining on me so would want to avoid the queuing and the inevitable alt-f4 etc. only to look for another server with a fresh round and 5+ slots... but unfortunately, not all server owners put the required info. in the title.
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I know age wise you are pretty knew to gaming ( i do not mean that in a rude way) but for us old farts we have had so much taken away from PC gaming over the years because devs want to get the games in line with consoles or focus on those platforms more than pc.

For many communites on the BF scene we come from the older games. We loved the choice.

BF3 has the type of servers you describe now because it is being populated by a community (not just random players) They pay a fortune for the server so they should be able to decide settings. (It is an old game).

You do not understand that these dedicated servers you are playing on are paid by the clan/admins who also paid for the games themselves. It is their choice if they want certain rules the same as it is your choice to play on them or not.

Do you really think these people will buy servers if they are console controlled ?

There are still plenty of dedicated BF4 servers that have no rules. Try searching "no rules" in server browser. Oh and if you cant find them head over to the official servers.

Oh but there are hackers on them i hear you cry!! just wait and see what happens if there is limited/no control over ranked rented servers from EA.

I see you do not like servers that are modded a lot. But what you do not understand is you will be stuck with mainly official only servers and no ranked servers at all.
 
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I might not be as old as you but I am old enough to have also played all the BF games so I'm fully aware of PC gaming being consolised more each year. You should know by now that at the end of the day, that isn't going to change and things are only going to get worse especially when big AAA titles like this are involved.

As I said, I tried to avoid the official servers because of the retarded balancer and as you touched upon, no admins to handle cheaters.

Again... I don't want all control eliminated but there has to be some limitations to avoid this ****:

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Fast vehicle spawn breaks the gameplay completely (especially for air combat, which is a big issue if you have "pro" players on), especially on bf 3 when the vehicles are so OP. I'm pretty sure DICE didn't intend on having the attack heli, jets etc. up 24/7...

I also paid for the game and I want to play certain maps i.e. tehran highway for sake of argument but... I can't find any server that has it in map rotation so what do I do? Just accept that because some guys/clans paid for a server that I have to play what they want despite them not actually being the developers/publisher/owners of the game?

Would server/clan owners seriously not rent a server just because they can't:

- change the spawn speed for vehicles to instant
- have only 1-3 maps on rotation
- add an auto kick for VIPs
- exceed 2000 tickets
- add some ridiculous k/d limit of 1

?

I think as long as they can do everything else i.e. name their server, kick/ban/spectate people then the majority would still quite happily get their own server.



Again... I don't want all control eliminated but if DICE are keeping custom servers then they need to start adding limitations to what server owners can do.
 
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