BBC document on Covid (Health Service) and Racism

Watching wokies describe systemic racism (and the rest of their superficially intellectual-sounding notions) is like watching a creationist describe god. It’s all vague and nebulous, omnipresent yet intangible. The evidence is overwhelming and all around us if you just have enough faith.

The “Facts & Logic” crew have created themselves a puritanical religion.
 
dLockers said:
No, it more like a handbook on white fragility. Throw in the folk who say daft things like "I don't see colour" and you've got your perfect apathetic model racist. Ignorant to the problem, ignorant to the underlying thinking, and ignorant to any change that would cost them literally nothing.
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As far as I can see the way this seems to work is that if you're white you either admit you're racist or you're in denial that you are racist. Sounds like the trials of witches back in the day!

Don't try and question their logic. If you point out they're the ones discriminating and are actually judging you because of your skin colour (racism) they'll accuse you of "white fragility".

Reminds me of the George Carlin quote :-

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" :D

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Nasher said:
Lets not forget this BBC comedy gold from a few years back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyq6fTYxztc
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She says, black people are not here to entertain you.


Then proceeds to show clips of numerous black people who made millions of dollars in the entertainment industry, who's job it is exactly to entertain us...

That's like their career.

Next she will be telling us that showing gifs if cats is now cultural appropriation and that we should all think twice, poor cats.
 
silvagti said:
As far as I can see the way this seems to work is that if you're white you either admit you're racist or you're in denial that you are racist. Sounds like the trials of witches back in the day!
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Precisely. If you're white you're either with them or you're part of the problem. There is nothing else.

You can't be opposed to their way of thinking and not be a racist, if you're white.

It's a silly game.
 
Tony Edwards said:
What you have think about is its not the hive mind of blacks as such. Its the perception that white people are all the same that is the problem. All through history the white man has proven they cant be trusted.
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Someone could make that argument about any "race" depending on the context tbh... just cherry-pick some bad things and voila...
 
dLockers said:
[..] Being black transcends skin colour. Whatever their melatonin, they share much more recent contexts in terms of geographic roots and oppression. This story is therefore relevant to them as black people, not black people who were settled in XYZ country.
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The foundation of irrational prejudice is the idea that "they're all the same".

Which is exactly what you're doing with "race". Because you're fashionably racist.
 
steve_c said:
Final nail in the coffin for me with regards to the BBC.

Not sure how I missed this the first time round.
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They also took it down and re-uploaded it a bunch of times to clear the epic amount of down votes lol. Eventually they did give up because they can't fight the internet.
 
what is the definition of woke?
someone who wants to force minorities or minority views as the mainstream normal even if it's not an accurate representation of society?

should someone who's not disabled be allowed to play a disabled role in tv/film? was rainman autism face?
 
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arknor said:
what is the definition of woke?
someone who wants to force minorities or minority views as the mainstream normal even if it's not an accurate representation of society? [..]
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Someone who promotes an ideology of authoritarianism and whatever irrational prejudices are fashionable at the time, believing (or claiming to believe) anything in line with those prejudices as a matter of faith regardless of (or in despite of) evidence and blaming their target group for being targetted. It's a form of conspiracy belief, but much more dangerous than most. It comes from the idea that a True Believer is Awake to The Conspiracy of <insert chosen target group here> to be the Evil One who must be defeated by The Righteous. Blah, blah, blah. It's not a new idea, but the current lot are better at lying and propaganda than most previous versions. It's an idea that is wholly bad, completely without any redeeming features.
 
Hang on people,

why do black people die more from covid ie death rate significantly higher?

- obesity in black - black 73% obese vs 63% obese white. So why 5x black to white death rate.
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/diet-and-exercise/overweight-adults/latest

- culture behaviour and inter generational housing - lack of evidence to suggest this. From behaviour and lock down fines, more white have been fined than black. So who’s breaking the rule more?

- more likely to be front line services thus more exposure - true, this would explain more cases of covid in blacks. However the normalised death rate per population takes the exposure out of equation ie if 100 white had covid vs 10000 black with covid if all things being equal then death rate should remain the same within these two population groups. So for every 1 white death there would be 100 black. but the fact is that Black Death rate is 5 times that of white or for every 1 white there are 500 black. So exposure cannot explain the increased death rate.

- underlying health and mental health issues - we know this is a factor, however is this the result of societal prejudice? We know health is related to obesity, but blacks are only 1.2x more obese across a population than white so why is the general health condition over 3 times worse quoting stats from the video.

- poverty and income level - false. blacks and whites have very similar levels. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...nefits/pay-and-income/household-income/latest

for the record, I don’t believe our NHS is institutionally racist or biased. Many of the nurses and doctors are ethnic minorities. The video even said that 44% of NHS staff are from ethnic group so it would be massively weird that ethnic minority is racist against itself. The last 20min of the video is interesting but full of statistical issues and doesn’t stand up well in the light of critical analysis and I think it is added to push the agenda more than anything.

So if there isn’t race issue at play with respect to the covid death rate and general health of black, what is the under lying issue that is causing such high death rate amongst black communities when compared with national average and white populations?
 
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pc-guy said:
Hang on people,

why do black people die more from covid ie death rate significantly higher?

- obesity in black - black 73% obese vs 63% obese white. So why 5x black to white death rate.
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/diet-and-exercise/overweight-adults/latest
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According to the ONS, it's 3.3x for men and 2.4x for women. Not 5x.

The death rate for men is about 2x the death rate for women, regardless of "race". Why isn't that being treated the same way?

- culture behaviour and inter generational housing - lack of evidence to suggest this. From behaviour and lock down fines, more white have been fined than black. So who’s breaking the rule more?
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Uncertain. Firstly, you're referring to the number of fines, not the number of fines per population. Secondly, a simple comparison of numbers of fines (or number of fines per population) would assume no differences in how likely it is that a person breaking the rules would be fined. That's an unsubstantiated assumption and I think it's a bad one in this case.

Also, you're not providing any numbers. Given that the only number you did provide was very wrong, that's not a good sign.

Also, since when has inter generational housing been illegal? Or delaying seeking treatment?

EDIT: As a minor point, the article you linked to does not have the numbers you claim it has. Those percentages are for overweight or obese, not just obese. They also don't give any further details about the extent of how overweight the people are. There are degrees of obesity and that's relevant to the increase in health risks.

- more likely to be front line services thus more exposure - true, this would explain more cases of covid in blacks. However the normalised death rate per population takes the exposure out of equation ie if 100 white had covid vs 10000 black with covid if all things being equal then death rate should remain the same within these two population groups. So for every 1 white death there would be 100 black. but the fact is that Black Death rate is 5 times that of white or for every 1 white there are 500 black. So exposure cannot explain the increased death rate.
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i) It's not 5x.
ii) Comparing the death rate amongst people in front line services with the death rate amongst the population as a whole is at best very dubious because it's nowhere near a like for like comparison. If being in front line services substantially increases the risk of death then a difference in the %age of people in front line services would substantially affect the %age of people dying.

Do you have a number for these two things:

Death rate for people in front line services compared with death rate for people not in front line services.
Death rate for "black" people in front line services compared with death rate for "white" people in front line services.

That would be better, but still not accurate enough because it's not a like for like comparison because "front line services" covers a wide variety of exposure risks.

- underlying health and mental health issues - we know this is a factor, however is this the result of societal prejudice? We know health is related to obesity, but blacks are only 1.2x more obese across a population than white so why is the general health condition over 3 times worse quoting stats from the video.
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Obesity isn't the only health issue.

- poverty and income level - false. blacks and whites have very similar levels. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...nefits/pay-and-income/household-income/latest

for the record, I don’t believe our NHS is institutionally racist or biased. Many of the nurses and doctors are ethnic minorities. The video even said that 44% of NHS staff are from ethnic group so it would be massively weird that ethnic minority is racist against itself. The last 20min of the video is interesting but full of statistical issues and doesn’t stand up well in the light of critical analysis and I think it is added to push the agenda more than anything.

So if there isn’t race issue at play with respect to the covid death rate and general health of black, what is the under lying issue that is causing such high death rate amongst black communities when compared with national average and white populations?
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Uncertain.

One possible explanation comes from a doctor whose channel I used to watch. They're convinced that the entire field of medicine (and a lot more besides) is absolutely institutionally racist against everyone who isn't "white". Which is why I no longer watch their channel. They stated that there is no average difference in outcome between patients of different "races" arriving at hospital with comparable cases of covid-19. If that's true, the difference in death rate is caused either by a delay in seeking treatment or more serious illness from the same cause or a combination of the two.
 
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