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Been out the game. What CPUs are coming up?

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Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my 3700x system but haven't been following the hardware market. I think zen 4 and raptor lake are coming out? I'm team agnostic so don't care red or blue I get just looking for the most sensible buy. I believe I'll need a new mobo and ram again this time?
Don't need top top of the range. But want like a 7 out of 10. Maybe a 12 core and midrange mobo? Just don't have a clue anymore.

Oh I should say this will primarily be for gaming
 
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I would wait for Zen 4, which is due to be released on 15th Sept.

Worth waiting, as the AM5 platform is planned to support CPU upgrades for ~5 years.

The only caveat here, is that as usual, the most expensive chipsets (X670 and x670E) for motherboards are launching first. People will have to wait to buy the cheaper B650/B650E boards. These boards should arrive in 2022, but it's not certain:
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The 'B' series will still support CPU overclocking.

If you're considering an Intel build, there's a few things to know:
1. LGA1700 socket won't support CPUs beyond 13th gen
2. Intel's 13th gen is using the same Golden Cove architecture as the 12th gen (but optimized).
3. 12/13th gen CPUs don't support the memory controller (IMC) running at 1:1 with DDR5 RAM, at any frequency
 
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You are in a perfect position for a simple drop in CPU upgrade to Ryzen 5800X3D. Rest of your system is just fine.
It is currently tied for best gaming CPU, so won't be bad even as new generations launch.

Zen4 is released 15th Sep, Intel Rapter Lake should be end of Oct.
 
beany_bot said:
Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my 3700x system but haven't been following the hardware market. I think zen 4 and raptor lake are coming out? I'm team agnostic so don't care red or blue I get just looking for the most sensible buy. I believe I'll need a new mobo and ram again this time?
Don't need top top of the range. But want like a 7 out of 10. Maybe a 12 core and midrange mobo? Just don't have a clue anymore.

Oh I should say this will primarily be for gaming
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Why don't you just get a 5700X which is 8 cores 16 threads for £230?

Really good value (just ordered one myself and it arrives today).

The 5800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU in production so you could go for it too. It would last. AM5 is coming out *soon* but will be DDR5 only.

AM4 still has some legs left so you could stick with it until AM5 and 13th gen intel is out and reviews are in.
 
JollyJamma said:
Why don't you just get a 5700X which is 8 cores 16 threads for £230?
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This^

Literally every game that arrives for the rest of this decade will be targeted to work with PS5 and XBOX Series S/X. The 5700X will comfortably outgun the CPUs in those consoles; no reason to upgrade to anything more.

Save your money for a new GPU upgrade somewhere down the line.

In fact, your current 3700X is still a very strong CPU; probably doesn't need upgrading as much as your GPU. What exactly in terms of games are you actually struggling with and at what resolution and with what GPU?
 
So my reason for upgrade is simple. I upgrade every second gen. Just to stay up to date.

I skipped Ryzen 5xxx now it's time for an upgrade. I'll be skipping the next gen GPUs then getting the one after. And so the cycle repeats. I don't "need" a new CPU. I just like keeping my pc up to date. I don't see the point in buying a 5700x because the gains are marginal. That's why I wait 2 generations before upgrading CPU/GPU.
 
It tends to pay off to upgrade to new generations and platforms. Zen 3 will be out of date within 1 or 2 years, so not a good upgrade in the long run.

If you did stay on DDR4, you could do an upgrade to an LGA1700 board and i5 12400/12400f (or 13th gen equivalent) quite cheaply, depending on what motherboard you get.
 
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g67575 said:
It tends to pay off to upgrade to new generations and platforms. Zen 3 will be out of date within 1 or 2 years, so not a good upgrade in the long run.
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I could give you many examples of why both those sentences are incorrect.

I know people who are still on AMD Bulldozer and are completely fine with the rigs performance. Zen 3 still has plenty of life in it and I fail to see how an 8 core 16 thread CPU that exceeds most modern gaming requirements now is going to suddenly become useless in 2 years time. Maybe it won't be cutting edge or as fast as AM5 but it'll still work fine for most people on this forum.

Really.
 
beany_bot said:
So my reason for upgrade is simple. I upgrade every second gen. Just to stay up to date.

I skipped Ryzen 5xxx now it's time for an upgrade. I'll be skipping the next gen GPUs then getting the one after. And so the cycle repeats. I don't "need" a new CPU. I just like keeping my pc up to date. I don't see the point in buying a 5700x because the gains are marginal. That's why I wait 2 generations before upgrading CPU/GPU.
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The gains will be just as 'marginal' upgrading every 2 generations, tbh (especially as Intel only release an optimisation in their 2nd gen), better value for money getting a 5700X (than a whole new board, DDR5 and CPU).

But, to answer your question, what you already said: Zen 4 and 13th gen. 13th gen is thought to only release K CPUs and Z boards this year, with non-K and B/H in January.

I'm not sure what AMD plan to do, it looks like (from the rumours I saw) they'll release 7600X/7800X/7900X/7950X and X670 in September, followed by B650 in October, but they took a long time to release B550 and non-X CPUs (in an admittedly not competitive market).
 
JollyJamma said:
I could give you many examples of why both those sentences are incorrect.

I know people who are still on AMD Bulldozer and are completely fine with the rigs performance. Zen 3 still has plenty of life in it
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For most games Zen 3 will be fine. There's already some games that benefit more from Alder Lake CPUs though, like Cyberpunk, Watchdogs Legion, FC6, BF2142 and many strategy games.

It depends on what you want, some will be completely happy with <60 FPS, some will want a minimum of 60 FPS or higher. Worth mentioning that consoles can't always handle 60FPS, some games are capped at 30.

Another factor is DDR5, we don't know yet how well this will work on Zen4, and what DDR5 setups will be optimal.
 
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g67575 said:
Worth waiting, as the AM5 platform is planned to support CPU upgrades for ~5 years.
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or just buy intel and get a beefy CPU with enough cores to last 5-10 years


whatever you do don't waste your money on a 5800x3d biggest waste of money for CPUs... wait till next gen.

You can probably get a current gen AMD in the members market when the new stuff comes out even if you don't want to buy the next gen cpus
 
Another way to think about this, is even the lowest end 4 core Zen 4 CPU is likely to outpace many Zen2/3 CPUs in games (much like a low end Alder Lake CPU). So, the cost isn't much different to buying a high end Zen 3 CPU.
 
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Another way to think about this, is even the lowest end 4 core Zen 4 CPU is likely to outpace many Zen2/3 CPUs in games. So, the cost isn't much different to buying a high end Zen 3 CPU.
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What are you basing this on? There are zero reviews or pricing out with no clear difference in performance v price.

I accept that AM5 will be faster but its arrival doesn't immediately turn Zen into a potato. People are still using Zen 1 at the moment and it's far behind Zen 3 but it still works fine for them.

Like, this obsession with upgrading and always being on the cutting edge is fine for people who need it but it makes little sense to value orientated buyers. I still using a 3300X and am upgrading today to a 5700X and the jump is big enough and will last me a couple years.

Having to buy an entirely new rig with DDR5 just to see maybe a 15% improvement in gaming just seems like a poor value proposition to me.

Edit: even if it was a 20% improvement, I still wouldn't upgrade.
 
beany_bot said:
So my reason for upgrade is simple. I upgrade every second gen. Just to stay up to date.

I skipped Ryzen 5xxx now it's time for an upgrade. I'll be skipping the next gen GPUs then getting the one after. And so the cycle repeats. I don't "need" a new CPU. I just like keeping my pc up to date. I don't see the point in buying a 5700x because the gains are marginal. That's why I wait 2 generations before upgrading CPU/GPU.
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In which case just wait 2-3 months until the new AMD and Intel stuff is out there and fully benched. Then build yourself a DDR5-based platform based on the data.

Still, I can't help but feel you'd be better served by just getting the 5700X and then splashing all that saved dough on a 4080 or 4090. After all, your OP did state "I should say this will primarily be for gaming".

Whatever, it's your cash to burn. :)
 
arknor said:
it has a silly price premium because of the 3d cache gimmick which isnt all that helpful above 1080 anyway

you could get a better cpu for the same money like a 12700k or whatever
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It's the fastest gaming CPU on the market and outperforms the 12900K for less money. It's not stupid. It's not a gimmick. It brings the AM4 socket strongly back into the performance race which means peoples systems will last longer.

Literally everyone else thinks it's a great innovation.
 
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