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Been out the game. What CPUs are coming up?

tbf you've have to spend quite a bit to get a CPU that's definitely faster in games than the 5800X for gaming, based on this:

Basically either the 12700 or 12700K.

I think sometimes the performance of the low/mid end Goldencove chips vs Zen 3 has been overstated (they need overclocking to perform really well, but this can only be done on a select few motherboards).
 
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JollyJamma said:
The Taichi is one of the few good ASrock boards though.

They tend to focus all of their efforts into the Taichi range and then let the rest of the range get pulled along by the good reviews of that board.

I won't touch them tho because they hate the honesty of Hardware Unboxed and won't send them review samples anymore. Just poor attitude.
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Asrock have the best email support though, very prompt replies.
 
Have you considered a 5900X? The 2nd hand prices on these rly aren't bad.

I think I might be inclined towards that if not building a new system, as the extra cores should make the upgrade more worthwhile.
 
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beany_bot said:
So assuming my next CPU / mobo upgrade will be in 2025, you think Ryzen 5xxx will last well until then?
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If you really don't want to upgrade again until 2025 then maybe wait for the B-series motherboards to release and stick a nice Zen-4 7 series in there. But this could be early 2023.

As others have suggested a 5800x3D with all the other components you already have would make a nice upgrade and probably last you for some time.
 
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If you really don't want to upgrade again until 2025 then maybe wait for the B-series motherboards to release and stick a nice Zen-4 7 series in there. But this could be early 2023.
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I tend to agree, Zen 3 won't give optimal performance until 2025. There are already some games that benefit from a 12700K/12900K and DDR5 RAM.

5800X3D doesn't seem worth it, an 8 core Zen 4 CPU (with decent DDR5 RAM) should provide better all around performance, even on a low/mid end motherboard.

Zen 3 would purely be a short term upgrade, it's hard to know how much difference getting a 5900X instead of a 5800X would make though.

If you don't wanna wait long and have the cash, you could wait to see what the X670 Zen 4 mobo pricing is like. That would be more cost effective than basically upgrading twice.

Some games are now recommending a 12700K or 5900X, like Spider-Man Remastered:
www.windowscentral.com

Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered PC: What are the system requirements?

Check to make sure your computer can run Insomniac Games' superhero adventure.
www.windowscentral.com www.windowscentral.com

Notice that the game also recommends upto 32GB of RAM, which I've no idea if that should be taken seriously.

I think it's best to shoot for the most demanding game requirements, or slightly above. I'm pretty sure WD: Legions is bottlenecked by my 10700KF, even on RT Medium or High.
 
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So, we have some more information about the IMC on Zen 4, apparently it can run at full speed (1:1) at upto 3000mhz! That means DDR5 6000 RAM should be optimal for Zen 4.

Some details "Higher frequency DIMMs are supported but as soon as you go above the DDR5-6000 limit, you will drop down to a 1:2 IFC. We are told that DDR5-6400 running at 1:2 will produce poor results and is not recommended if you are looking for better gaming performance."
From here:
www.techpowerup.com

Ryzen 7000 Said to Have a DDR5-6000 Memory "Sweet Spot"

If you remember, there were quite a lot of discussions about memory speed "sweet spots" for both the Ryzen 3000- and Ryzen 5000-series, with the user experience not always meeting AMD's sweet spot for memory clocks. Now details of the Ryzen 7000-series memory sweet spot has arrived courtesy of...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

Obviously, if this info is correct, the DDR5 support on AM5 is going to be much better than is offered with Intel's Goldencove CPUs.
 
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g67575 said:
So, we have some more information about the IMC on Zen 4, apparently it can run at full speed (1:1) at upto 3000mhz! That means DDR5 6000 RAM should be optimal for Zen 4.

Some details "Higher frequency DIMMs are supported but as soon as you go above the DDR5-6000 limit, you will drop down to a 1:2 IFC. We are told that DDR5-6400 running at 1:2 will produce poor results and is not recommended if you are looking for better gaming performance."
From here:
www.techpowerup.com

Ryzen 7000 Said to Have a DDR5-6000 Memory "Sweet Spot"

If you remember, there were quite a lot of discussions about memory speed "sweet spots" for both the Ryzen 3000- and Ryzen 5000-series, with the user experience not always meeting AMD's sweet spot for memory clocks. Now details of the Ryzen 7000-series memory sweet spot has arrived courtesy of...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

Obviously, if this info is correct, the DDR5 support on AM5 is going to be much better than is offered with Intel's Goldencove CPUs.
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source: Wccftech :D

It's already been debunked as that "article" said that the sweet spot for Zen 2 was DDR4-3800 and Zen 3 was DDR4-4000 despite hardly anyone being able to hit either of them :)


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It's already been discussed in the Zen 4 thread and not really relevant for further discussion here
 
g67575 said:
I have So, we have some more information about the IMC on Zen 4, apparently it can run at full speed (1:1) at upto 3000mhz! That means DDR5 6000 RAM should be optimal for Zen 4.

Some details "Higher frequency DIMMs are supported but as soon as you go above the DDR5-6000 limit, you will drop down to a 1:2 IFC. We are told that DDR5-6400 running at 1:2 will produce poor results and is not recommended if you are looking for better gaming performance."
From here:
www.techpowerup.com

Ryzen 7000 Said to Have a DDR5-6000 Memory "Sweet Spot"

If you remember, there were quite a lot of discussions about memory speed "sweet spots" for both the Ryzen 3000- and Ryzen 5000-series, with the user experience not always meeting AMD's sweet spot for memory clocks. Now details of the Ryzen 7000-series memory sweet spot has arrived courtesy of...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

Obviously, if this info is correct, the DDR5 support on AM5 is going to be much better than is offered with Intel's Goldencove CPUs.
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You are confusing if speed with imc speed. Alderlake supports 7000+ speeds, amd doesn't cause of the if penalty.
 
Not sure if the OP has settled on getting a 5800X, but the 5800X3D is potentially getting a price cut when Zen 4 launches, which could make it a more attractive option.
 
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