Beheading at Notre-Dame basilica in Nice

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Freddie1980 said:
I think the spreading of islamic extremism via mosques is a bit old hat these days, old hook hand was the exception rather then the rule. Online social media is far more effective and can be done anonymously.
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I agree that boat has long since sailed. Since the 50's we've been giving a bunch of goat herders who live in the desert and believe in one of the most extreme outlooks of their faith trillions of dollars a year. They control 2 of the 3 most holy sites of their faith and have exported their view of their faith for decades. They have literally changed Muslim culture in much of the World and narrowed the window of acceptable views. The much more secular Muslim countries of 50-70 years ago have become much more closed minded and less tolerant, no better example being Turkey. This culture shift has created an environment where extremism can live and it is not challenged from within, or as it appears as an outsider not credibly so.
 
Lysander said:
Hah, yes.



I honestly have no idea. There is no quick solution to this, just as there is no quick solution to the Israeli/Palestinian divide. As @BowdonUK correctly pointed out above, it's to do with psychology, not just [or not necessarily] religion. Also see my post here.
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If it's to do with psychology but not religion, where are all the other regular atrocities committed by other religions?
There is one faith that is responsible for the vast majority of global terrorist deaths.
One.
Guess which.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
What about mass shootings in the US?
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What about them? They pale in comparison to the number of deaths committed around the world in the name of Islam.
On top of that they're a local issue and aren't exported. I can't think of any Americans that have shot a concert hall full of people over here.

Wanna come up with any more dumb whataboutery examples?
 
Dis86 said:
What about them? They pale in comparison to the number of deaths committed around the world in the name of Islam.
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If you discount the world trade centres, which were exceptional, then I don't believe they do. Your statement suggested that every terrorist attack has been committed in the name of Islam, which simply isn't true. Furthermore, much of it was perpetuated by an illegal on their homes. That's not religion, it's politics.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
If you discount the world trade centres, which were exceptional, then I don't believe they do. Your statement suggested that every terrorist attack has been committed in the name of Islam, which simply isn't true. Furthermore, much of it was perpetuated by an illegal on their homes. That's not religion, it's politics.
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Then you're woefully uneducated. Have a look at the horrendous numbers killed in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, throughout the far and middle east.
Islamic terrorism is estimated to have killed a quarter of a million people in the last 15 years.

Discount 3000 from that number...Lol.
 
Finally glad to see someone high up who is not afraid of political correctness echo what we were saying for five years. The Nice Mayor said this is "Islamo Fascism" which is accurate.

These people are Religious fascists and bullies. And the left encouraged and protected them and nutured them in Europe and soon will have to admit they and the BBC promoted a group who hate European values. They hate strong women, They hate freedom of speech and they hate gays.

Bravo left bravo!
 
Dis86 said:
Then you're woefully uneducated. Have a look at the horrendous numbers killed in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, throughout the far and middle east.
Islamic terrorism is estimated to have killed a quarter of a million people in the last 15 years.

Discount 3000 from that number...Lol.
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Are you concerned with those countries? I would have thought you'd be offering the plane fare to send them back to these countries.

The number of terrorist attacks in the West are nothing like those numbers. I don't disagree with you that there are many Islamic terrorist attacks. You asked where the terrorist attacks committed by other religions were. They exist.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Are you concerned with those countries? I would have thought you'd be offering the plane fare to send them back to these countries.

The number of terrorist attacks in the West are nothing like those numbers. I don't disagree with you that there are many Islamic terrorist attacks. You asked where the terrorist attacks committed by other religions were. They exist.
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I'm concerned about a clearly dangerous set of teachings that are globally spreading. I don't care whether the person harmed is in Afghanistan or Alton, they shouldn't be losing their life because of a demented set of teachings and ideals. But hey, continue on your incorrect set of assumptions. You're wrong on every count so far!

Note your final sentence of whataboutery but again...Islam more than every other cause combined. Whether religion or political leanings.
 
Probably to put a filter on his profile picture on Facebook. And spend more time condemning the people who are frustrated than condemning the actual terror attack.

And when prompted for a solution to just respond with “idk man these things are like so totally complicated”.
 
mysticsniper said:
These crimes have nothing to do with Religion.

Just sub-human beings, using religion as an excuse for these atrocities :(
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If they're able to use it as an excuse and regularly do so, then it's difficult to say that attacks like this "have nothing to do with religion".

When there's evidence a school shooter was heavily bullied, can we say that the shooting had nothing to do with bullying? Just because not everyone acts on others behaviours or teachings doesn't mean they're never a factor.

Every religion has influenced a minority of its followers to do some crazy things.
 
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