He started on pole in Germany thanks to a wet qual though which kind of negates car performance somewhat, same at Silverstone.
Belgian Grand Prix 2012, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 12/20
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He started on pole in Germany thanks to a wet qual though which kind of negates car performance somewhat, same at Silverstone.
/waves to DecoySA, don't think you've posted in F1 threads before? If not, Welcome, if so, sorry I've not noticed before lol
i had no idea there was a motorsport forum, i used to check the sports forum but never saw any thread and just assumed everyone here hated F1 lol
yeah but again that proves my point, nothing is as clear as it seems hence why these generalisations about best cars are pointless, especially this season where car performance across the grid has been all over the place due to the tyres.
please note im not knocking the guy, i think he is the most complete driver in f1 i just think people get a little carried away with "omg he's winning in third best car, not even senna could do that" stance
It's not really been all over the place, the title standings show the same usual suspects at the top.
because class eventually rises to the top, that doesn't mean it hasn't been all over the place.
one race mercedes cruised to victory, the next they struggle massively.
Williams won a race, no one would have predicted that at the start of the season.
compared to other seasons this one has been all over the place, its undeniable.
its settled down a bit in recent races but the first third of the season no one could really work out who had the best car in terms of race pace because no one had worked out how to figure the tyres out on a regular basis in all conditions/temperatures.
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Unless its Hamilton, in which case every incident he's ever been involved in, plus how long he has been in the sport, should all be taken into account?
FIA levels of consistency from you there.
They do have a reprimand system in place no? think Lewis has had a fair few of them.
But in general you would have to say the Ferrari has not been as strong as McLaren and Red Bull over the season so far.
i wouldn't make general statements like that, thats my whole point 
it looks at things too basically when so many other factors have come into play to make cars competitive/uncompetitve in varying conditions/races.
however if you put a gun to my head and said decide how good the ferrari is in normal dry conditions id currently put it joint second with the red bull.
its a shame we couldn't see how good its real pace is this weekend due to alonso getting taken out but massa looked more competitive than usual (duking it out with webber) so i think the car is currently looking pretty damn good.
it looks at things too basically when so many other factors have come into play to make cars competitive/uncompetitve in varying conditions/races.
however if you put a gun to my head and said decide how good the ferrari is in normal dry conditions id currently put it joint second with the red bull.
its a shame we couldn't see how good its real pace is this weekend due to alonso getting taken out but massa looked more competitive than usual (duking it out with webber) so i think the car is currently looking pretty damn good.
Other than JB, who had a better race than Seb yesterday?
Soldato
what did Hamilton tweet?
before the race?
before the race?
Massa did quite well
Good shout actually, he made up one more place than Seb.
Unfortunately for Massa, he was so far back in qualifying that even making up nine places kept him off the podium.
Soldato
Interesting about Jackie Stewart offering Grosjean a sit down and talking to...
Earlier this year, triple world champion Jackie Stewart, who is an advisor to Lotus, offered to sit down with Grosjean and give him some advice about the way he approached his races.
Stewart is famous not only for his campaign for safety in F1 but also for his impeccable driving standards during his career. He has helped many drivers in his time, but Grosjean turned him down.
Maybe he should have taken that offer up...
Earlier this year, triple world champion Jackie Stewart, who is an advisor to Lotus, offered to sit down with Grosjean and give him some advice about the way he approached his races.
Stewart is famous not only for his campaign for safety in F1 but also for his impeccable driving standards during his career. He has helped many drivers in his time, but Grosjean turned him down.
Maybe he should have taken that offer up...
I was making a point...
lewis has had more than his fair share of accidents that he was the cause of during a single season and he got of fairly lightly even though at the time he had a few years under his belt in f1.
grosjean is very green and generally any incidents hes been involved in havent been malicious or brain rage yet he gets a very hefty 1 race ban for what was basicly a racing incident caused by inexperience.
if he had simply collided with lewis and only those 2 got taken out would he still have had this ban? or it it only because a car came pretty close to spearing alonso's head?
maybe jackie should crawl back into his cave and stop banging the safety drum? if he had his way formula one would be padded cells on wheels
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I can see pastor punting someone off at Eau Rouge / some kind of massive first corner incident.
Taking out Alonso would really set up the championship
I was right! Although it wasn't shown where Maldonado punted Glock, it must have been at la source?
I pray that Grosjean never tries to overtake Maldonado on the first lap of a GP. The world will implode
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Probably because he has seen first hand what happens when safety is forgotten about.
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I think in his day safety wasn't a factor so it's not something that could be forgotten about it - it didn't exist!