Belgian Grand Prix 2014, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 12/19

Hamilton should have retired much earlier due to the damaged aero. He even said himself on the radio the car was handling awful. Do you think he's losing confidence in his team? If he is I don't think he'll win the championship this year. I just hope he isn't mentally deflated and has some luck for the next few races.
 
I find it amusing that Rosberg has obviously been dwelling on the Hungary issue for so long. Everyone goes on about how emotional Lewis is but that's only in the heat of the moment and he always picks himself up again shortly thereafter. Rosberg, OTOH, has been fuming for weeks on end which shows far more emotional instability that Hamilton IMO.

I also laugh at those who claim it doesn't matter how you win a championship as you're still champion and that's all people will remember. Afraid not. There are many different "levels" of champion in my book and several drivers who, in retrospect, are perceived to have largely "lucked into" their championship win and it's somewhat tainted as a result. Villeneuve and Button both fall into this category for me - both had a car that was the fastest on the grid by a decent margin and yet made a right meal of winning their championships. Both should have done so far earlier and more easily than they did.
 
Vertigo1 said:
Villeneuve and Button both fall into this category for me - both had a car that was the fastest on the grid by a decent margin and yet made a right meal of winning their championships. Both should have done so far earlier and more easily than they did.
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Show me a driver since post 92 that didn't make a meal of their first title. Each and everyone of them did in various ways.

Button and Villeneuves were similar in that they both where in teams that started with a large advantage and for different reasons developement stopped and where no longer the fastest cars anymore by Silverstone. Button they ran out of money and what they could get out of the car and Renault stopped pushing as hard in the williams. Williams also admitted the Senna case diverted too much of their attention. JV would be fine in these regulations with a engine freeze but engine developement was a lot more agressive back then which could be seen the next year with how far the supertec was behind.

As I said every single one of them has made a meal out of the first one. Some even make the 2nd one hard work.
 
Vertigo1 said:
I find it amusing that Rosberg has obviously been dwelling on the Hungary issue for so long. Everyone goes on about how emotional Lewis is but that's only in the heat of the moment and he always picks himself up again shortly thereafter. Rosberg, OTOH, has been fuming for weeks on end which shows far more emotional instability that Hamilton IMO.

I also laugh at those who claim it doesn't matter how you win a championship as you're still champion and that's all people will remember. Afraid not. There are many different "levels" of champion in my book and several drivers who, in retrospect, are perceived to have largely "lucked into" their championship win and it's somewhat tainted as a result. Villeneuve and Button both fall into this category for me - both had a car that was the fastest on the grid by a decent margin and yet made a right meal of winning their championships. Both should have done so far earlier and more easily than they did.
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Did you just say Button lucked into his championship. Damn the **** just hit the fan and smr is coming for you.
 
Vertigo1 said:
I find it amusing that Rosberg has obviously been dwelling on the Hungary issue for so long. Everyone goes on about how emotional Lewis is but that's only in the heat of the moment and he always picks himself up again shortly thereafter. Rosberg, OTOH, has been fuming for weeks on end which shows far more emotional instability that Hamilton IMO.
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Maybe....but I'll bet dollars to donuts that Hamilton is still annoyed about Monaco qually as well.

Vertigo1 said:
I also laugh at those who claim it doesn't matter how you win a championship as you're still champion and that's all people will remember. Afraid not. There are many different "levels" of champion in my book and several drivers who, in retrospect, are perceived to have largely "lucked into" their championship win and it's somewhat tainted as a result. Villeneuve and Button both fall into this category for me - both had a car that was the fastest on the grid by a decent margin and yet made a right meal of winning their championships. Both should have done so far earlier and more easily than they did.
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Uh huh....

Villeneuve was facing down Michael Schumacher in what was by that stage a pretty much sorted Ferrari F310 (all the major vices of the original '96 model worked out). The Williams FW19 meanwhile was nowhere near as dominant over the field as the preceding FW18, a car that really ought to get praised as much as the FW14B and 15C. Add to that the odd race that the team botched. Monaco stands out - wet track, rain falling, I know! Let's send our cars out with dry setup and slick tyres on....

As for Button - that Brawn car was nowhere near the class of the field by pretty much the halfway mark in the season. By that time the Red Bull was certainly the best car, the McLaren had gotten most of the gremlins dialled out, the Ferrari could be decent on the right circuit (well....at least at Spa!) and the Brawn was still rocking around with a far too high CoG courtesy of an engine that it was never designed for and almost no development path to take. Button also had some bad luck - unless you're going to try and blame him for Romain Grosjean running into him at Spa ;)

If you want to see a meal being made of a championship, look at Mika's second title. Main rival out for a good portion of the year with a broken leg, easily the fastest car over one lap, and he managed to let even Frentzen in the Jordan get into the title fight.
 
KautoStar - "embarrassing" is planting your car into the back of another one in the pitlane while the team are hollering at you on the radio to get onto the brakes ;):p In fact, a case could be made for Hamilton being rather ordinary given how much of a meal he made of his title against a driver (Massa) most people on here have never rated!

And like I said - after Turkey in '09, the Brawn was a lot slower relative to its rivals. No development path, no money or time for a B-spec chassis to be designed and built. And yet, aside from Spa when Grosjean took him out, Button scored points in every race along with two podium finishes in the back half of the year and a pretty impressive drive at Interlagos after a weather-affected qualifying.
 
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JRS said:
KautoStar - "embarrassing" is planting your car into the back of another one in the pitlane while the team are hollering at you on the radio to get onto the brakes ;):p In fact, a case could be made for Hamilton being rather ordinary given how much of a meal he made of his title against a driver (Massa) most people on here have never rated!

And like I said - after Turkey in '09, the Brawn was a lot slower relative to its rivals. No development path, no money or time for a B-spec chassis to be designed and built. And yet, aside from Spa when Grosjean took him out, Button scored points in every race along with two podium finishes in the back half of the year and a pretty impressive drive at Interlagos after a weather-affected qualifying.
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Indeed, people don't rate Massa highly at all on here yet Hamilton only won that title against him due to Glock slowing down on purpose at the last corner of the race. That's the only thing I think of when I think back to Hamilton's title winning year - that Glock move.

If anyone's world championship has ever been sealed in an embarrassing fashion, one need look no further than 2008.
 
smr said:
Indeed, people don't rate Massa highly at all on here yet Hamilton only won that title against him due to Glock slowing down on purpose at the last corner of the race. That's the only thing I think of when I think back to Hamilton's title winning year - that Glock move.

If anyone's world championship has ever been sealed in an embarrassing fashion, one need look no further than 2008.
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Schumacher running into Hill in 94 and cheating his way to the title in my book is more of an embarassment but don't let that get in the way of your Hamilton hate ;) And glock slowing down for Lewis oh dear oh dear.
 
IPBA said:
Schumacher running into Hill in 94 and cheating his way to the title in my book is more of an embarassment but don't let that get in the way of your Hamilton hate ;) And glock slowing down for Lewis oh dear oh dear.
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Or Senna intentionally running into Prost to win the championship in 1990, was that an embarrassment too? Or are you just showing off your Schumacher hate, Hamilton love?
 
Alienfish360 said:
Or Senna intentionally running into Prost to win the championship in 1990, was that an embarrassment too? Or are you just showing off your Schumacher hate, Hamilton love?
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Presuming much? I am a fan of Senna, Schumi and Lewis but just trying to point out smr's obvious hate.

To answer your question above that was also embarassing but smr said we need not look further than the 2008 title for embarassing title wins so picked the first incident that came to mind.
 
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smr said:
Indeed, people don't rate Massa highly at all on here yet Hamilton only won that title against him due to Glock slowing down on purpose at the last corner of the race. That's the only thing I think of when I think back to Hamilton's title winning year - that Glock move.

If anyone's world championship has ever been sealed in an embarrassing fashion, one need look no further than 2008.
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Come on smr you only have to look at his team mates lap time to see he didn't slow down. I will admit my first reaction at the time in the heat of the moment was suspicion but Glock didn't pupoesly slow down. :)
 
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