You could probably pick up a 6800GT for that, maybe even lesszhuanai said:hi guys !
I currently have p4 2.66 + 512MB + unknown motherboard + MX440 (-_-!) and I am thinking about an upgrade of GFX card. Would you guys recommend me an AGP card around £100?
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tmileson said:
Not at all.You stated I justyify my pci-e purchase.What has this got to do with the post?
Other than triggering a response?
It didnt cost the same it cost more.
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Neither does yours.You dont have an arguement.
No wind up statements here, you just invent figures to "win" an argument and expect everyone to believe them without any facts. The same with Gav and his motherboard. When challenged to substantite your point all of a sudden you "don't have the time".
LOL I haven't invented anything.I have stated the truth.
Gav is dismissing what I'm saying based on the fact that he is two SATA ports short LMAO.!!!!!!!!!
He can find a mobo for what he needs.I have told him this.
No you dont, you have an AGP mobo and card that cost more than a pci-e version.
I can get the next gen cards in june.You can't.Until you hang around for them to be released on AGP if they will be released at all.
You know, if you're just going to be a sarcastic arse-hat, then please tell me in advance so that I can ignore every post you ever make in future.tmileson said:
This is Overclockers UK. If taking out a motherboard and putting another one in is too much hassle for you, then I think you're on the wrong forum.tmileson said:
It's cheaper, how is this not an advantage?tmileson said:don't see how that's an advantage, i would have bought the same 7900gt even if I had PCI-e. Granted some people would want a x1900, SLi or similar in which case as I've already said you then need to go for PCI-e
you did,although as we've seen when you do a like for like comparisson you're wrong. Keep saying the same thing doesn't make it true, and to quote a phrase ... FACT
Did you just say that? Let me read it again... Yep, you said it... Listen to me, You can get a PCI-E motherboard and a PCI-E graphics card that would cane the 7800GS+ for less money, so how is it "getting the best out of your kit" to stick with AGP? It certainly isn't getting the best out of your money.tmileson said:
And bearing that in mind, how will they be "obsolete" in two months if no games or applications that benefit from AM2 or DX10 will be out until the second half of 2007?
Firstly; Where did I say that my rig is better than your rig? Quote me please. I said that our rigs are better than most rigs out there and, at least in my case, costed peanuts to build.tmileson said:
Secondly; If you already have a 7800GS+ then are you ranting and raving about AGP being "t3h r0xx0r" to justify the extra outlay you wasted instead of buying a 7900GT and nForce4 motherboard?
Lastly; If you don't have the 7800GS+ yet, then why even argue this? It costs less, why not go for it? Your X2 3800+ will still run in an nForce4 motherboard, so will your 2GB CAS2.0 memory, so where's the fuss? You'd be spending less money and increasing your range of choice in graphics cards. How is this a bad thing?
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tmileson said:
I agree. I have upgraded to the Gainward card from an X800XT and am happy with my choice. Yes I could have swapped my mobo, cpu and gone the pci-e route but would it have been any better really for all the hassle? I might be on the S754 platform but it is still an A64 3700+ processor and getting something comparable or noticably faster on S939 will cost money that I would rather spend on a system when Vista and DX10 are mainstream.
I've already pointed out the PCI-e version of the same card (more or less) is the same price on overclockers. You then have to add the price of the motherboard so the PCI-e option is more expensive in that case.
I've quoted facts from the overclockers price list, you just keep saying the same thing with no facts. Actually I've not even claimed that AGP option is cheaper, just that on the scale of things it's comparable and certainly not anything to get excited about. Still waiting for you to point me at the £100 cheaper details you quoted without any facts...
Both arguments I've heard for the PCI-e side continue to try and avoid qouting like for like. You quote a motherboard thats not the same, Exsom quotes video cards that are not the same. It's easy to try and win the price argument when you don't compare the same thing
As for the next gen cards in June? Why on earth would anyone buy a 7900GT now on PCI-e and then buy the "next gen" in June???? HArdly a realistic comparisson - oh, hang on, you don't do those...
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Look at my sig.Darren555 said:
I too am still using a Socket 754 processor (Newcastle) at 3800+ speeds. CPU has no relevence to this argument since you can buy nForce4 motherboards for every major processor socket. You really have no idea of what you're talking about, do you.tmileson said:I've already pointed out the PCI-e version of the same card (more or less) is the same price on overclockers. You then have to add the price of the motherboard so the PCI-e option is more expensive in that case.
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Exsom quotes video cards that are not the same. It's easy to try and win the price argument when you don't compare the same thing
I will post this again.Gainward BLISS Geforce 7800GS+ 512MB = £328 including VAT.
Total: £328
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 PCI-E Mobo = £46 including VAT.
Gainward BLISS Geforce 7900GT 256MB = £211 including VAT.
Total: £257
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 PCI-E Mobo = £46 including VAT.
Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 512MB = £258 including VAT.
Total: £304
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 PCI-E Mobo = £46 including VAT.
Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 256MB = £170 including VAT.
Total: £216
You do know that the 7900GT 256MB is better than a 7900GS+ right? That's even if you don't volt mod it and overclock it to 7900GTX clocks.
As for the next gen cards in June? Why on earth would anyone buy a 7900GT now on PCI-e and then buy the "next gen" in June???? HArdly a realistic comparisson - oh, hang on, you don't do those...
[/QUOTE]Why would anyone buy an AM2 or DX10 card in 2-6 months when practically no games will benefit from them until the second half of 2007?
I see you have no idea of value, because you'd be paying upwards of £500 for one game (Crysis) and the CPU and GPU would be old hat by the time games actually came out for it.
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tmileson said:
Why would be getting a pci-e mobo be obsolete in 2 months?
You have upgrade paths for new gfx cards.
Its cheaper than getting a 7800 GS agp card.
This is helpful info.. not throwing 300 quid into dying technology.
Your rig is a nice rig but limited in its upgrade options.Due to the fact that the next gen cards will be PCi-e.
The smart option which would have been cheaper, would have been to get a s939 pci-e mobo for your x2,ram and get a 7900 pci-e card.
This would have cost less than what you spent on your single 7800gs.
This would also mean that you could get newer cards on the newer slot.
My opty is already running at fx 62 speeds of the future am2 socket.So I have no interest in AM2 for the forseeable future.
Oh good, can I say the same about being condesended to...?Exsomnis said:You know, if you're just going to be a sarcastic arse-hat, then please tell me in advance so that I can ignore every post you ever make in future.
hardly the point... It's still hassle for negligable advantage
It's not, unless like your options you don't compare like for like
You're missing the point, You keep telling me how the PCI-e way is so much better than AGP. I fail to see what in day to day use your PCI-e (and you use your words) "*** r0x..." nope... can't bring myself to type it, rig does that mine doesn't.
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Exsomnis said:Look at my sig.
Yes it is relevant as getting an nForce4 mobo that supports S754 would just be a stop gap, just as getting a better AGP card is. I simply choose the easier stop gap.
I only started being condescending toward you when you decided to throw our helpful advice in our faces and act like a stupid kid. Don't expect any better when you act like this.tmileson said:Oh good, can I say the same about being condesended to...?Exsomnis said:You know, if you're just going to be a sarcastic arse-hat, then please tell me in advance so that I can ignore every post you ever make in future.
Moot point. Swapping out a motherboard takes all of ten minutes, it's not rocket science. You're either incredibly lazy or a stubborn troll.tmileson said:
If you had a clue of what you were talking about, you would know that 7900GT 256MB is better than a 7800GS+ 512MB and will also overclock to 7900GTX frequencies. How is this not apples-to-apples comparison?tmileson said:
I think that you'd better stop telling people they're "missing the point" when the fact is that you're making nonsense points to people who are trying to explain how switching to PCI-E is cheaper and more beneficial than upgrading to another AGP graphics card.tmileson said:
Ok, I'll tell you what my PCI-E platform can do that yours can't. I can put a graphics card more powerful than a 7800GTX in it, for cheaper. How's that?
tmileson said:
No it isn't the 24 pipe 7800 GS is 328
The 24 pipe 7900 512mb gt is 281
As for the next gen cards in June? Why on earth would anyone buy a 7900GT now on PCI-e and then buy the "next gen" in June???? HArdly a realistic comparisson - oh, hang on, you don't do those...
I have had my 7900 GTX a few months already.when the new cards come I'll probably sell it at little loss and get a new card.
I do this it cost's little and I get to enjoy the latest hardware.
Buying anything right now is a stopgap. AM2 and DX10 are coming out, but neither are going to be useful until the second half of 2007.Darren555 said:
So why spend more now when it's not needed? Switching to PCI-E is cheaper than sticking with AGP, and if your processor has a lot of life in it there's no need to even upgrade it. Thus, favourable option: Keep your processor (754 or 939) and get an nForce4 motherboard and great graphics card together for less money than an AGP graphics card that doesn't even perform as well.
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Exsomnis said:
Ahh but your forgetting Crysis will also run on DX9, as thats what they have been showcasing it on, its been running on an x1900, and seen as that is the only DX10 game everyone has been raving about, well i make that none now, so DX10 is even more a waste of time yet, as it would have been with only 1x game for it, so £500 for G80/R600 to run Vista it is.
Exsomnis said:You really have no idea of what you're talking about, do you.
Gainward BLISS Geforce 7800GS+ 512MB = £328 including VAT.
Total: £328
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 PCI-E Mobo = £46 including VAT.
Gainward BLISS Geforce 7900GT 256MB = £211 including VAT.
Total: £257
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 PCI-E Mobo = £46 including VAT.
Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 512MB = £258 including VAT.
Total: £304
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 PCI-E Mobo = £46 including VAT.
Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 256MB = £170 including VAT.
Total: £216
You do know that the 7900GT 256MB is better than a 7900GS+ right? That's even if you don't volt mod it and overclock it to 7900GTX clocks.
As for the next gen cards in June? Why on earth would anyone buy a 7900GT now on PCI-e and then buy the "next gen" in June???? HArdly a realistic comparisson - oh, hang on, you don't do those...
Why would anyone buy an AM2 or DX10 card in 2-6 months when practically no games will benefit from them until the second half of 2007?
I see you have no idea of value, because you'd be paying upwards of £500 for one game (Crysis) and the CPU and GPU would be old hat by the time games actually came out for it.
Do you know I can't face trying to reply to this one... How is a 7900gt 256mb better than a bridged 7900gt 512mb. You continually miss the point! No one with a 7900GT class machine is going to upgrade it in the next 6 months or so (apart from the real die hards
). When my (just like yours) is being upgraded i'll be buying a DX10 video card and AM2 motherbord (a conroe jobby). You will do the same. I fail to see how anyone could claim a socket 754 based PCI-e motherboard is the future proof option. Lets just say June 2007 - I upgrade from s939 x3800 and AGP 7900gt to oh I dunno, whatever the X2 is then on AM2, 5000 or something. I also then upgrade to my DX10 card because Vista has been out for 6 months are we're on gen 2 DX10 card with games coming out.
You at the same time would have to do exactly the same. To kee p a current proc you will have to change your motherboard. To get DX10 you will have to change you video card.
I don't see the massive advantage you seem to think you have?!?!
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Ah but of course. So really, there is zero reason at all to upgrade to AM2/DX10 until the second half of 2007.LoadsaMoney said:Ahh but your forgetting Crysis will also run on DX9, as thats what they have been showcasing it on, its been running on an x1900, and seen as that is the only DX10 game everyone has been raving about, well i make that none now, so DX10 is even more a waste of time yet, as it would have been with only 1x game for it, so £500 for G80/R600 to run Vista for donkeys it is.
Darren555 said:
You are running your Gainward BLISS 7800 GS (GT) 512MB GDDR3 460/1350 clocks.
The cheaper 7900 GT on pci-e would happliy run 580/1800 giving better performance for less this includes the price of a new mobo.
Why did you choose a slower card for more money?
My 7800GT runs at 520/1500 quite happily just using coolbits so that's conservative at best and with ATI tool checking for artifacts I expect it could do moreeasyrider said:You are running your Gainward BLISS 7800 GS (GT) 512MB GDDR3 460/1350 clocks.
The cheaper 7900 GT on pci-e would happliy run 580/1800 giving better performance for less this includes the price of a new mobo.
Why did you choose a slower card for more money?
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