bet365 boss pays herself £265 MILLION

danza · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:14

All I can imagine is that she is morally-deficient, probably hugely sociopathic and as such simply doesn't give a damn that on balance, her companies and foundation do far more harm to society than they do good.

Still, if you're of the 'gives zero effs' mindset, it's clearly an excellent way to make money.

StriderX · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:18

Raymond Lin said:
You forcing them to place that bet? A gun to the head?

PLACE THAT BET OR I WILL SHOOT YOU!

Well in a country that's banned drugs, functionally attempting to ban sugar and nicotine, restricting alcohol usage, restricting child birth, restricting gun ownership, restricting what cars you can drive... it's inconsistent to just let gambling go unabated.

DampCat · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:27

StriderX said:
Someone creating a product to sell is vastly superior (even if it's via slave labour, it's still better) to abusing someones addiction... and you can't compare wasting money on a probability chance of winning a bit back to buying toilet roll/lightbulbs or whatever off of amazon...

While Facebook is pretty damaging, i still think it has value in it's ease of communication and i don't really know what Carlos Slim does...

Of course I can compare them. Consumerism has built western civilization into societies of Debt. We're all raised to spend what we don't have on things we dont need. The new this, a faster that.

The issue is where do you draw the line?

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:28

StriderX said:
Well in a country that's banned drugs, functionally attempting to ban sugar and nicotine, restricting alcohol usage, restricting child birth, restricting gun ownership, restricting what cars you can drive... it's inconsistent to just let gambling go unabated.

Japan banned gambling but do you know what you see in every street corner?

Pachinko machines parlours. It’s not gambling because you are just playing with metal ball bearings, and the counter that you swap money with those balls are not in the same building...loop holes!

People find ways to get round it. You can ban alcohol, people find ways to get round it. You will just find gambling go underground to the black market and people instead of bankruptcy and losing their car or house; they will get limps chopped off when they can’t repay their debt.

Still, just blame the government eh?

StriderX · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:33

DampCat said:
Of course I can compare them. Consumerism has built western civilization into societies of Debt. We're all raised to spend what we don't have on things we dont need. The new this, a faster that.

The issue is where do you draw the line?

A line where there's no justifiable benefit, Gambling gives people nothing.

Dis86 · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:47

StriderX said:
Well in a country that's banned drugs, functionally attempting to ban sugar and nicotine, restricting alcohol usage, restricting child birth, restricting gun ownership, restricting what cars you can drive... it's inconsistent to just let gambling go unabated.

Um...gambling sites are age restricted.

Dirk Diggler · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:50

DampCat said:
Of course I can compare them. Consumerism has built western civilization into societies of Debt. We're all raised to spend what we don't have on things we dont need. The new this, a faster that.

The issue is where do you draw the line?

You really can't compare them. Gambling isn't based on consumerism, it just employs similar techniques to push the product.

No one ever got banned from Amazon for catching too many lightning deals, because making a successful purchase won't risk putting Amazon out of business. Amazon does not take a risk when it enters into a transaction with the customer.

Consumerism and debt are a completely different issue altogether.

Dirk Diggler · 24 Nov 2018 at 10:58

Raymond Lin said:
I vote yes to more unemployment !!! Who’s with me?

What kind of perverse logic dictates that you can't legislate against exploitation because the people who benefit will lose out?

Raymond Lin said:
Do you need the government to tell you losing your car, your house for a bet is irresponsible?

Yes, we do.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2018 at 11:33

String said:
What kind of perverse logic dictates that you can't legislate against exploitation because the people who benefit will lose out?

Yes, we do.

It’s funny when people part quotes or reply to every post I make BUT those they can’t answer, it screams they either agree wholehearted or have no rebuttal against it.

Then tell me, how do you propose legislation against gambling?

You are an adult, no one needs to tell you gambling your house away is a bad idea like you don’t need to get told you need to turn up for work on time.

StriderX · 24 Nov 2018 at 11:54

Dis86 said:
Um...gambling sites are age restricted.

So minor as to be irrelevant, those kiddie bops can just pop on Fortnite and spend literally thousands on things that they definitely cant return any profit from. In fact i'd say it's worse for people underaged now than it is for those legal folk, the only benefit children have is that they're relatively protected in comparison before it get's brutally out of hand.

Harsh regulations need to start pooping out of Westminster soon, because this barrel-scrapping is going to leave a lot of people permanently poor.

dowie · 24 Nov 2018 at 12:55

StriderX said:
Well in a country that's banned drugs, functionally attempting to ban sugar and nicotine, restricting alcohol usage, restricting child birth, restricting gun ownership, restricting what cars you can drive... it's inconsistent to just let gambling go unabated.

It doesn’t go unabated, it is regulated. You’ve listed some rather diverse areas in some vague attempt to claim an inconsistency but don’t appear to have thought about it very carefully.

StriderX · 24 Nov 2018 at 12:59

dowie said:
It doesn’t go unabated, it is regulated. You’ve listed some rather diverse areas in some vague attempt to claim an inconsistency but don’t appear to have thought about it very carefully.

The only connection i needed was the one that describes the distinct authority that people seem to dislike about this country butting in to their affairs (especially supposed libertarians who unashamedly vote Tory, while knowing full well they're even more authority dependent), while for the most parts letting a particularly pointless damaging act run aground whole swath's of poor areas. Alcohol, drugs and what not do pretty much the same level of damage, but for the most part they can at least be social events... gambling is just sad, lonely and depressing.

I don't mind if it's completely free to do whatever the hell you want, but if you're also completely restricting people's ability to do x, y or z.

Either go full potato liberty or don't, the middle-ground is just social disasters waiting to happen.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2018 at 13:10

Soooooo,while we are going all the way, I propose full ban on the following along with gambling

1 - smoking, what’s the benefits in that? While at it, ban vaping

2 - drinking, it’s technicall poison to the body, you don’t need a drink to have fun right?

3 - sugar, it will lower obesity

4 - stocks trading, it’s like gambling, you can easily lose everything. Along with it, crypto currency and crypto mining.

5 - computer games, go out and play some sports dammit

6 - swearing, nothing comes good of it

7 - pornography, who needs it right?

8 - sod it, ban all fictional TV shows apart from the news. Ban all forms of entertainment, they are all unproductive and pointless.

Christmas is cancelled!

StriderX · 24 Nov 2018 at 13:26

That's poopy barrel scraping level of argument, all those things have social constructions that help them stay relevant, hell i don't smoke and abhor the nastiness of tobacco/cigarettes, but i'd happily pump my lungs full of vape, it's such a different league.

Please for the love of Maggie thatcher will someone argue a reason for why gambling should stay as is, when it clearly has zero social value? Animal abusing races aren't relevant in this context, as the growing trends will probably rid them from existence. You certainly don't need to bet on other games to enjoy them, and clearly betting on political probabilities is beyond the pale as it pushes gambling into a political abuse problem. Casino's are quite literally pointless wastes of land.

But pfft, whatever, i'll just wait for April to roll around and happily watch as the massive influx of high-street betting shops tumbles into the ditch.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2018 at 13:28

StriderX said:
That's poopy barrel scraping level of argument, all those things have social constructions that help them stay relevant, hell i don't smoke and abhor the nastiness of tobacco/cigarettes, but i'd happily pump my lungs full of vape, it's such a different league.

Please for the love of Maggie thatcher will someone argue a reason for why gambling should stay as is, when it clearly has zero social value? Animal abusing races aren't relevant in this context, as the growing trends will probably rid them from existence. You certainly don't need to bet on other games to enjoy them, and clearly betting on political probabilities is beyond the pale as it pushes gambling into a political abuse problem. Casino's are quite literally pointless wastes of land.

But pfft, whatever, i'll just wait for April to roll around and happily watch as the massive influx of high-street betting shops tumbles into the ditch.

That is YOUR argument.

StriderX said:
The only connection i needed was the one that describes the distinct authority that people seem to dislike about this country butting in to their affairs (especially supposed libertarians who unashamedly vote Tory, while knowing full well they're even more authority dependent), while for the most parts letting a particularly pointless damaging act run aground whole swath's of poor areas. Alcohol, drugs and what not do pretty much the same level of damage, but for the most part they can at least be social events... gambling is just sad, lonely and depressing.

I don't mind if it's completely free to do whatever the hell you want, but if you're also completely restricting people's ability to do x, y or z.

Either go full potato liberty or don't, the middle-ground is just social disasters waiting to happen.

Which as you said, your own argument is poopy.

StriderX · 24 Nov 2018 at 13:33

Raymond Lin said:
That is YOUR argument.

Which as you said, your own argument is poopy.

Why are drugs illegal then, huh? If gambling is amazing and such, then so are drugs.

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2018 at 13:41

StriderX said:
Why are drugs illegal then, huh? If gambling is amazing and such, then so are drugs.

So the rebuttal of your own poopy argument is to asking about drugs? I don't claim to know all the answers, you tell me. Why is gambling legal here then? Why is gambling illegal in Japan then? Why is the drinking age in the US 21 and why is the age of consent of sex in Japan 13?

FYI, I never said gambling is amazing, all I am saying it is something that as an adult you deal with everyday, everything in life is a gamble. It is a gamble going to university and finding that job in the end, it is a gamble to even booking a holiday and hoping for good weather. Life is a gamble, and as an adult it is down to you to take control, if you can't control even your own decisions…you need help. The solution isn't to ban gambling, the problem isn't gambling, it is you. Get help if you constantly making the wrong decisions.

dowie · 24 Nov 2018 at 13:48

StriderX said:
I don't mind if it's completely free to do whatever the hell you want, but if you're also completely restricting people's ability to do x, y or z.

Either go full potato liberty or don't, the middle-ground is just social disasters waiting to happen.

You're not making much sense here, no one is stopping people from having a beer or drinking a sugary drink or gambling if that is what they want to do.

Dirk Diggler · 24 Nov 2018 at 14:00

Raymond Lin said:
Then tell me, how do you propose legislation against gambling?

You are an adult, no one needs to tell you gambling your house away is a bad idea like you don’t need to get told you need to turn up for work on time.

Do some research, the information is available in abundance. Here's a link to an article that covers your ludicrous point about the poor people of Stoke losing their 6 figure salaries.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/fobts-hammond-bookmakers-jobs-over-gamblers-lives

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/problem-gamblers-uk-gambling-commission-report

Raymond Lin · 24 Nov 2018 at 14:04

String said:
Do some research, the information is available in abundance. Here's a link to an article that covers your ludicrous point about the poor people of Stoke losing their 6 figure salaries.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/05/fobts-hammond-bookmakers-jobs-over-gamblers-lives?

You think these gambling addiction will be fixed by making gambling illegal? Did you think people stopped drinking during the prohibition?

Do you? Do you really think people will just stop because it is made illegal?