Big Bike Thread

monkeypants · 22 May 2007 at 22:35

Col: You will need:

A cassette lockring tool,
A chain tool (to remove your old chain unless it's a tool-less chain)
A crank extractor
A BB tool, specific to the BB (there are loads of different types of tool lugs)

Do you actually need a new crankset? Can you not just remove two of the chainrings from your existing one, and shift the desired ring to the middle?

Do you need a new cassette really? And even a new chain? Unless you're severely worn, you won't need any of what you've specced yourself.

Jonny ///M · 22 May 2007 at 22:37

monkeypants said:
Col: You will need:

A cassette lockring tool,
A chain tool (to remove your old chain unless it's a tool-less chain)
A crank extractor
A BB tool, specific to the BB (there are loads of different types of tool lugs)

Do you actually need a new crankset? Can you not just remove two of the chainrings from your existing one, and shift the desired ring to the middle?

Do you need a new cassette really? And even a new chain? Unless you're severely worn, you won't need any of what you've specced yourself.

As far as im aware he isnt getting a new cassette so no cassete lockring tool and chain whip required. Hes not getting a new crankset hes just getting a new BB that will fit the chain device backplate on. He wont need to split the chain if all hes doing is replacing the crankset.....

monkeypants · 22 May 2007 at 22:46

collisster said:
Chainset Shimano M341 Octalink 44/32/22
Bottom Bracket Shimano BB-ES30
Chain HG50
Freewheel Shimano Cassette 11-30 8sp

EDIT: Wait wait... Is that what he already has?

Jonny ///M · 22 May 2007 at 22:51

monkeypants said:
EDIT: Wait wait... Is that what he already has?

Yes

Do you uh......need to sleep or lay of the drink?

(you trying to be me?)

collisster · 22 May 2007 at 23:01

johnny is right

.. have you asked on a forums ?

thanks

Jonny ///M · 22 May 2007 at 23:03

collisster said:
johnny is right .. have you asked on a forums ?

thanks

Yeh no reply as yet....the usual.

You get the 14 year olds who think they know everything that reply...but the guys that know what they're talking about dont.

Dont wanna put it on descent world as i kinda fell out with that place when i was younger.

monkeypants · 22 May 2007 at 23:10

Jonny ///M said:
Yes

Do you uh......need to sleep or lay of the drink?

(you trying to be me?)

I need sleep. If I wasn't tired I'd have been able to keep up.

collisster · 22 May 2007 at 23:17

mbuk are a bunch of cocky t****s. I got a reply from mtbbrtain tho.. =D

Bloody hell, nowt like chucking yourself in at the deep end, is there???

How easy it is depends on a.) how confident you are that you can do the job properly and b.) whether you have the correct tools for the job.

Bear in mind that to remove the cranks and the bottom bracket, you'll definitely need -

Allen wrenches of the correct size(s)
A crank extractor
The correct tool(s) to remove your current BB and fit your new one
Spanners/sockets
1/2" drive tommy bar or breaker bar and possibly a piece of steel tubing to use as an extension

You might also want to consider a torque wrench just so that you don't under- or over-tighten anything.

Your first job is to decided what you want to end up with. Do you want a single chainring? Double and bash? Triple?

From your other posts, I'd suggest that you're going to need a double and bash set-up which will allow you to retain your front mech. That being the case, do you need anyhting as complex and dedicated as the MRP chainguide? Why not consider something a little more flexible like a Blackspire Dewlie C4 or an E13 DRS setup?

The spacers that you mention are rings which fit betwen the bottom bracket cup and shell to allow you to fine-tune your chain line by moving the BB cartridge left or right as appropriate. They are usually 2,5mm thick and if you are fitting a chain guide to a non-ICGS (WHAATTT???) frame you usually remove one of these rings and replace it with the boomerang plate.

ICGS (International Chain Guide Standard) frames have a set of lugs welded to the bottom bracket shell which allow the chainguide to be mounted directly to the frame. Non-ICGS frames can either be fitted with an adaptor plate to convert them, or as mentioned above the boomerang plate is held in position with the BB cup. The ICGS mount is far more accurate, and also less likely to slip or come out of adjustment if you bang the guide.

Try having a snoot at E Thirteen's Website where you can download loads of useful info.

Jonny ///M · 22 May 2007 at 23:17

monkeypants said:
I need sleep. If I wasn't tired I'd have been able to keep up.

Nah mate i find viagra is good for that sorta thing. Cant discuss that here since no medical talk is allowed.

i lose

Hmm never ever ever go on MBUK mate....its full of wee boys.

That reply,however,looks like a more detailed version of mine.

The spacers arent for adjusting the chainline though. Basically they give you 3 spacers......for a bike with a 68mm shell you have one spacer on the nondriveside......and two on the driveside.

For bikes with a 68mm shell and a chain device its one spacer on each side.

For bikes with a 73mm shell its one spacer on the drive side.

For bikes with a 73mm shell and chainguide/etype front mech its no spacers!

collisster · 22 May 2007 at 23:21

mbuk are a bunch of cocky t****s. I got a reply from mtbbrtain tho.. =D

Bloody hell, nowt like chucking yourself in at the deep end, is there???

How easy it is depends on a.) how confident you are that you can do the job properly and b.) whether you have the correct tools for the job.

Bear in mind that to remove the cranks and the bottom bracket, you'll definitely need -

Allen wrenches of the correct size(s)
A crank extractor
The correct tool(s) to remove your current BB and fit your new one
Spanners/sockets
1/2" drive tommy bar or breaker bar and possibly a piece of steel tubing to use as an extension

You might also want to consider a torque wrench just so that you don't under- or over-tighten anything.

Your first job is to decided what you want to end up with. Do you want a single chainring? Double and bash? Triple?

From your other posts, I'd suggest that you're going to need a double and bash set-up which will allow you to retain your front mech. That being the case, do you need anyhting as complex and dedicated as the MRP chainguide? Why not consider something a little more flexible like a Blackspire Dewlie C4 or an E13 DRS setup?

The spacers that you mention are rings which fit betwen the bottom bracket cup and shell to allow you to fine-tune your chain line by moving the BB cartridge left or right as appropriate. They are usually 2,5mm thick and if you are fitting a chain guide to a non-ICGS (WHAATTT???) frame you usually remove one of these rings and replace it with the boomerang plate.

ICGS (International Chain Guide Standard) frames have a set of lugs welded to the bottom bracket shell which allow the chainguide to be mounted directly to the frame. Non-ICGS frames can either be fitted with an adaptor plate to convert them, or as mentioned above the boomerang plate is held in position with the BB cup. The ICGS mount is far more accurate, and also less likely to slip or come out of adjustment if you bang the guide.

Try having a snoot at E Thirteen's Website where you can download loads of useful info.

monkeypants · 22 May 2007 at 23:37

Anywhere I can price check bikes/components? Thinking of selling one of mine, but I have no idea about price!

collisster · 22 May 2007 at 23:39

mm

list it here or something.. someone will give you an idea

Jonny ///M · 22 May 2007 at 23:54

collisster said:
mm list it here or something.. someone will give you an idea

not allowed to sell stuff on the forums mate.

Coll....double post mayhem?

Post in the for sale sections of bike forums.....just set a price..if its too high you will get offers for it anyway.

collisster · 23 May 2007 at 00:03

yeh I know about the wicked sick double post but i thought you'd missed it.. any advice before I pack in for the night? I'm annoyed becuase my bike hasn't got the ICGS fitting

Jonny ///M · 23 May 2007 at 00:06

collisster said:
yeh I know about the wicked sick double post but i thought you'd missed it.. any advice before I pack in for the night? I'm annoyed becuase my bike hasn't got the ICGS fitting

Ummmm dont think so. I have ISCG mounts on my bighit....i aint using them though.

I would give you them if i could.

SgtTupac · 23 May 2007 at 00:59

Stay away from the Mr Control Chain Device. I bought one and it broke EVERY ride. Eventally realised you get what you pay for and bought an E13.. No problems at all

Jonny ///M · 23 May 2007 at 01:01

SgtTupac said:
Stay away from the Mr Control Chain Device. I bought one and it broke EVERY ride. Eventally realised you get what you pay for and bought an E13.. No problems at all

Told you so!

This man speaketh the trutheth

I have single ring + gamut on the bighit justnow.....i wanna go dual ring and bash i think(i ride to and from work) Wish there was a Y plate that had a front mech and a dual ring roller at the bottom.

SgtTupac · 23 May 2007 at 10:01

Jonny ///M said:
Told you so!

This man speaketh the trutheth

I have single ring + gamut on the bighit justnow.....i wanna go dual ring and bash i think(i ride to and from work) Wish there was a Y plate that had a front mech and a dual ring roller at the bottom.

E13 do the Dual Bash ring dont they?

weescott · 23 May 2007 at 11:37

monkeypants said:
Anywhere I can price check bikes/components? Thinking of selling one of mine, but I have no idea about price!

You can't sell here but you CAN price check here.

SgtTupac said:
E13 do the Dual Bash ring dont they?

yes, you can even get a triple bash ring from the US from...someone.

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I just picked up some 2006 Fox 32 Talas R's for the Heckler for much cheapness.

Anyone got any advice for removing / fitting a headset race?

Jonny ///M · 23 May 2007 at 12:33

SgtTupac said:
E13 do the Dual Bash ring dont they?

YOu but tell me where the **** im gonna mount a front mech on a bighit? So i need an E type front mech......which wont fit if i already have a chain device backplate.

Crown race = tiny screwdriver going round slowly and taking your time. Hit it in,push down on screw driver.....move on.

A mate of mine has the triple ring one on his orange Mr O,cant remember the name of it though.