Bit of a Rant about the benefit system

[AceTK]

its unreal! my gf has just moved into a flat by herself she earns £1200 a month and can just manage it. i am helping out when im back from work but when you see people getting £1700 a month for sitting watching tv it really makes my blood boil! shes working her ass off to pay bill and keep out of the red!

there should be some type on compulsory work if you fail to find a job in say 6months! where you work for your job allowance sorting rubbish, or cleaning the streets or even doing community service

Well... im unemployed and that is a real scheme. In another 4 months il be made to do litter picking at side of road or have my benefit stopped. Read up its called flexible new deal and its far from flexible. Im not volutarily unemployed my previous employer made cut backs and now im stuck in real dire straits. Not all unemployed people are bums a lot have real genuine issues especially given how few jobs are around atm. When i go to the job center they dont care and even they tell me its terrible and that employers are getting almost 10 times more applicants than 3 years ago.

Im curious tho if they can force you to work for benefit on a 40 hour week which is what ive been told il have to do. why is it fair il be doing it for less than national minimum (£1.50ph)?? ive paid my taxes while working im outta work its not my fault and i dont wanna be an exploited slave.


addendum

Some claimants are scroungers tho true

 

[Deleted member 66701]

It's all right, we're about to start developing the Universal Credit system, then no one will get anything.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

The government won't scrap benefits it keeps the unemployed dependent on them along with everybody else, if there were no benefits the unemployed would simply find ways to live off the grid and the government would lose power over them.

Governments don't want people living independently, the story of the native American indians will tell you that much.

Without dependence restless minds would start to directly call into question the status quo, the bulk of people in Westminster would be finished politicaly.

 

[robgmun]

It isn't what the scum get that annoys me the most, it is that they truely believe that they are hard done to and the middle class have had life handed to them on a plate.

Christ, i never realised the sheer irony of it all until you said that!!

 

[muon]

It's all right, we're about to start developing the Universal Credit system, then no one will get anything.

Just so you know, its basically the same thing but without the different names. Unemployed people will continue to get an a fixed amount, people on low incomes will get a tax credit (currently called working tax credit) and people on low incomes with children will also get money (children's tax credits).

Instead of having separate names, it will be UTC with different parts.

Of course, this doesn't inherently say anything about how much the payments will be.

Im curious tho if they can force you to work for benefit on a 40 hour week which is what ive been told il have to do. why is it fair il be doing it for less than national minimum (£1.50ph)?? ive paid my taxes while working im outta work its not my fault and i dont wanna be an exploited slave.

Of course they can't. Say they give you street cleaning as a JSA job, then why would councils employ street cleaners who they have to pay minimum wage and above. All that happens is that the same number of people are unemployed and some are paid slave wages.

 

[Gackt]

I'm self employed and want to be in security, I saved and paid my way to get the relevant license needed, now I struggle to find as much work as before because it's now being flooded with polish, Indians all nationalities they are willing to work for minimum wage because they can't even speak the language! Now for me to find work is more difficult because of this, same with a lot of guys I know that ate in security because it's a career choice, we stuggle because it's full of people that just do it because they are told to!

Well this is the 'issue' with immigrant labour when people go on about "them stealing our jobs", is that they're willing to do the job for whatever pay. It makes sense for a company to hire employees at the least cost to them, so they're going to go for the people who will earn minimum wage because they're not going to complain that they aren't being paid enough.

It's the same all over.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

Christ, i never realised the sheer irony of it all until you said that!!

I know, infuriating isn't it.

Those on full-benefits (jobless) spend their entire lives bitching (usually with a pint in one hand and a fag in the other) about how hard up they are and that those who have nice things have had it bought for them or have it easy.

Yes my bedroom has a gaming rig, fancy TV, big bed, sofa, but I bought it all with money I earnt. Mummy and Daddy didn't, they told me to get off my rear end and earn it.

When I eventually buy a house, I shall be proud of it as I earnt it myself.
The scummers on benefits have no concept of the pride of having a house to show for your life.

 

[aln]

The main problem with the current system is those who are funding it are significantly less likely to rise to violence over the issue than the recipients. Make no mistake, if you're a tax payer you're beinged mugged on a monthly basis. t's just a shame if the middle were to push back, those who genuinely rely on the help would probably be the ones to suffer the most.

 

[MuttsNutts]

thats not right surely?

It is as Me and my misses are in the same boat with our little lad we both work and a Nursery place is not set in stone, The staff said to me there's 60 places and 45 of them are pre reserved for familys on benifits.....

Got me well worked up as we filled in the application 1 week after he was 2 the earlist time you can apply is on the childs 2nd B-Day waited 6 months and heard nothing. so we rang up week after week asking whats happening.
still no real answer so I went in to find out, show a face and all that I was taken aside by the boss type lady and informed No my son had not got a place due to us working, I flipped a little and she agreed with me but said her hands were tied and couldn't do anthing.
We have no extended family at all Just Me My Misses Our little Lad and now our little baby girl so get no help at all.

we get family tax credit & working family tax credit based on my wage & my misses Maternity pay from her employer and no way does it add up to silly amounts of £1700 a month it's £314 a month, I have worked from the moment I left school at 16 and have paid Taxes & NI ever since now im 29 and feel Im getting a little back from all the money I have paid into the system so no I dont feel im cheeting the system.

We struggle to find money for holidays etc infact have not been on one for 6 years

I have looked into seeing what we would get If me & my misses stopped working and claimed everything we were entitiled to by the system and Yes house rent will be paid in full, most bills reduced, council tax halved benifits paid etc

It all adds up to us getting around £280 better off a month.....
It shocked me it really did but I love my job too much and could not stand sitting at home doing nothing all day, the extra time with the kids would be good mind..... Will never do it though.

Even If I won the lottery I would still work to an extent.... 3 days a week maybe just to keep active and busy.

SCUM OF THE EARTH all these cheats....

 

[aln]

I'm a degree educated Software Engineer with a couple of years experience, enough so that I don't struggle with job offers. I don't earn a great deal, but from the area I'm in its not terrible which with some I scrimping and saving lets me more or less just get by. My older sibling(single male, fake illnesses) brings in more than I do each month in cash on benefits than I do (working), which is not counting the additional benefits recieved from someone in his position. We were from an area an Glasgow which isn't very well off, in which no family I knew growing up worked, yet none of them genuinely had an inability to do so. Anyone who thinks these are genuine people in need of genuine help are deluding themselves. Its a lifestyle choice, and I've been asked many a time why I even bother, as if I'm a mug for doing so.

Jeremy Kyle may have managed to get a few nutters on his show to talk about it, but they're just the tip of the iceberg. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but there are a crap load of people scamming the system, and you'd be naive to think that this is anything but easy to do.

 

[Morlock]

Oh yeah i forgot that you're a ******* boss type person, glad people like you are few and far between, based on you past posts if i ever were to meet you i'd probably smack you one.

Don't be daft, violence isn't the answer to your problem.

 

[Old Man]

Well... im unemployed and that is a real scheme. In another 4 months il be made to do litter picking at side of road or have my benefit stopped. Read up its called flexible new deal and its far from flexible. Im not volutarily unemployed my previous employer made cut backs and now im stuck in real dire straits. Not all unemployed people are bums a lot have real genuine issues especially given how few jobs are around atm. When i go to the job center they dont care and even they tell me its terrible and that employers are getting almost 10 times more applicants than 3 years ago.

Im curious tho if they can force you to work for benefit on a 40 hour week which is what ive been told il have to do. why is it fair il be doing it for less than national minimum (£1.50ph)?? ive paid my taxes while working im outta work its not my fault and i dont wanna be an exploited slave.


addendum

Some claimants are scroungers tho true

May I ask what your work experience is please?

TY

 

[Scrutinize]

The only plus side is the cash they get is spent back into the economy so gvt get some return and it artificially supports some industries. Especially on high duty items like cigarettes and alcohol. Was no different to labours approach to over inflating the public sector.

 

[Stinky]

The only plus side is the cash they get is spent back into the economy so gvt get some return and it artificially supports some industries. Especially on high duty items like cigarettes and alcohol. Was no different to labours approach to over inflating the public sector.

Apart from the money going to drug dealers (I know not all people a drugys)

And I understand that all jobs are affect by imagrents being willing to work for less! But the company I am sub contracted to most of the time pay the same £9.50 p/h they pay that to anyone, but there are so many people now within the business that it's easy for them to just get anyone in that hPpe s to be near by because they are all licensed! I am lucky that I get on with the bosses and am good at what I do so I still get a fair amount of work, it's just infuriating when my collegues (well some of) can't speak English over an open radio network, when that is the key part of the job! How am I supposed to do my job to the best of my ability when my backup / other contact points in other areas can't reply to tell me if they are having an problems??

Now tell me why they should give the security license out to anyone and everyone? I can accept that English people who can speak English should have help! But why provide a license that most of us had to pay for to guys (and girls) who can't actually do the job at all? Yet get the same money?

 

[Deific]

instead of money, it should be things like food tokens so they exchange tokens for food etc.

"It'll be humiliating for them"; "it's against their human rights!"; "why should they be made to feel different?". I. Don't. Care. No cash, no money, everything is tokens that are non-transferable and cannot be sold on. The attempted sale of these tokens should be punishable with prision.

If they need the basic amenities in life - then the state should provide. If they want Sky+ HD stuff, large TV, new car, holidays, beer etc; then they bloody well work, or go without.

I, as a tax payer, am sick and bloody tired of paying for their lifestyle choices. People on benefits should be forced to wear a uniform informing everyone as to their social status. They should be ridiculed at every step of the way, and made to feel like a complete failure as a human being until such time as they start contributing.

Of course, all the above I would apply only to chose who CHOOSE the welfare lifestyle, or otherwise can't be arsed to work or "can't work" due to bull**** medical reasons that aren't actually real but canny really be dis-proved.

Those who truely need the system, should benefit from it. Everyone else... there's several hundred thousand miles of street/pavement in this country, get cleaning.

Right, I see. Hmm yes. People on benefits ridiculed....right right.

See the thing is, I spent the last year on ESA (employment support allowance), because it took me nine months to recover from an operation.
As a result, now that i'm recovered, I'm still out of work but instead receiving job-seekers allowance as I am now capable of working.
According to you, I should be ridiculed and made to feel like a complete failure.
You can't evaluate every single person in the country and have a panel judge on whether people have chosen the life of benefits or fallen into it. It wouldn't work.

Yes, I see no flaws here.

 

[Danthus]

Right, I see. Hmm yes. People on benefits ridiculed....right right.

See the thing is, I spent the last year on ESA (employment support allowance), because it took me nine months to recover from an operation.
As a result, now that i'm recovered, I'm still out of work but instead receiving job-seekers allowance as I am now capable of working.
According to you, I should be ridiculed and made to feel like a complete failure.
You can't evaluate every single person in the country and have a panel judge on whether people have chosen the life of benefits or fallen into it. It wouldn't work.

Yes, I see no flaws here.

He is right though to a degree, cash benefits are widely abused in my opinion. What about the feelings of the taxpayer?

 

[krooton]

Right, I see. Hmm yes. People on benefits ridiculed....right right.

See the thing is, I spent the last year on ESA (employment support allowance), because it took me nine months to recover from an operation.
As a result, now that i'm recovered, I'm still out of work but instead receiving job-seekers allowance as I am now capable of working.
According to you, I should be ridiculed and made to feel like a complete failure.
You can't evaluate every single person in the country and have a panel judge on whether people have chosen the life of benefits or fallen into it. It wouldn't work.

Yes, I see no flaws here.

Did you actually read his post fully? Only those who choose the lifestyle or make up lies about medical conditions.

You are neither.

 

[MuttsNutts]

Get a JOB lazy Gets.... people with genuine reasons to be on Benifits are fine with ME but the BullS***ers well they just need a wake up call.

The system is crap and tends to work in favour of the people that take the P****

 

[Andy]

Bring back workhouses and sterilisation for people who drop out of school before 21.

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

I don't have a problem....idiot

It's scum like you that prey on the poorly educated and desperate that i despise, I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire. I hold a high level IT job in the city and you wouldn't be able to afford my skill set/level in a million years. Fortunately i have educated myself to post-grad degree level and have a decade of experience so i can command pretty much what i want on the job market, even when it was at its worst last year (i turned down a job offer last year because even through the pay was batter, it was a public job)

I will never be at the mercy of **** bosses like you

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