Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2022 at 13:12

C Kent said:
Thor 2
GotG
Avengers 2

that's 50% of the p2 movies

Yes but the fact they are infinity stones is a very small part of each film (I'm not even sure if the aether is even called an infinity stone in Thor 2) Only GOTG and one small scene in Age of Ultron actually mention them. The overarching plot only became apparent because you're looking back from it being finished. We have no idea what is or isn't going to be important by the time the next Avengers films happen in phase 6.

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2022 at 13:27

That's a really great tribute

MissChief · 27 Jul 2022 at 13:43

Shamikebab said:
Yes but the fact they are infinity stones is a very small part of each film (I'm not even sure if the aether is even called an infinity stone in Thor 2) Only GOTG and one small scene in Age of Ultron actually mention them. The overarching plot only became apparent because you're looking back from it being finished. We have no idea what is or isn't going to be important by the time the next Avengers films happen in phase 6.

Small scene in Age of Ultron? The last third of the movie from when Vision was created features the mind stone. The tesseract is a theme through some of the phase 1 movies too although I'll admit not known as an infinity stone until later.

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2022 at 13:45

MissChief said:
Small scene in Age of Ultron? The last third of the movie from when Vision was created features the mind stone. The tesseract is a theme through some of the phase 1 movies too although I'll admit not known as an infinity stone until later.

Again you're mistaking something being 'in' something and something being 'about' something. Technically there is an infinity stone in pretty much the whole of the first Avengers but it has very little connection to the overall arc beyond 'Loki gets given a stone by Thanos, Loki then loses it' vision is a big part of the final third of Ultron but the mind stone is barely mentioned.

As an example (Shang Chi spoilers)

The strange signal from the Shang Shi rings might be pretty important, we don't know yet. It would be crazy to say they were a big part of the film though just because the rings were in the whole film.

C Kent · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:18

MissChief said:
Small scene in Age of Ultron? The last third of the movie from when Vision was created features the mind stone. The tesseract is a theme through some of the phase 1 movies too although I'll admit not known as an infinity stone until later.

You also had the whole Thor vision of the infinity stones. Shami seems to be straw manning (as usual) the original point he took umbrage with regarding phase 2

which was where the concepts of the infinity stones appeared

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:32

C Kent said:
You also had the whole Thor vision of the infinity stones. Shami seems to be straw manning (as usual) the original point he took umbrage with regarding phase 2

Well I'm flattered you've read enough of my posts that you've picked up a term but you don't seem to understand it.

C Kent · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:37

Shamikebab said:
Well I'm flattered you've read enough of my posts that you've picked up a term but you don't seem to understand it.

straw man
noun
noun: strawman
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Text book definition there fella, original point was the concepts of the infinity stones was set up in p2, your arguement is that because the films weren't all about infinity stones I'm wrong.

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:38

C Kent said:
straw man
noun
noun: strawman
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Text book definition there fella, original point was the concepts of the infinity stones was set up in p2, your arguement is that because the films weren't all about infinity stones I'm wrong.

Not really. the discussion was about the overall plot arc of the different phases. I don't see how anything I posted isn't relevant to that.

rp2000 · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:40

Personally I think Phase 4 has been poor in building any sort of storyline, or conclusion for Phase 4. I've enjoyed nearly all the films and shows in P4, but they just lack some coherence and I have no idea what is gonna happen next or who is gonna turn up in who's movie!

OK in phase 1 we didn't know much about infinity stones, it was just the Tesseract, but we already knew we were building to a phase 1 finale where the Avengers would team up, and Nick Fury was all over the place! So far in Phase 4 I don't feel much coherence, beyond Wandavision, Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 but I don't anticipate we will learn much more with just she hulk and BP2 remaining.

No problem, I still look forward to each TV show and Movie, but in Phase 1 we had the Avengers team up, so far in the multiverse saga, we have 2 more years at least till an Avengers team up!

rp20000

C Kent · 27 Jul 2022 at 14:46

Shamikebab said:
Not really. the discussion was about the overall plot arc of the different phases. I don't see how anything I posted isn't relevant to that.

well you seem to be unable to grasp the meaning of the word concept for a start in context of the sentence "which was where the concepts of the infinity stones appeared"?

MissChief · 27 Jul 2022 at 15:39

rp2000 said:
Personally I think Phase 4 has been poor in building any sort of storyline, or conclusion for Phase 4. I've enjoyed nearly all the films and shows in P4, but they just lack some coherence and I have no idea what is gonna happen next or who is gonna turn up in who's movie!

OK in phase 1 we didn't know much about infinity stones, it was just the Tesseract, but we already knew we were building to a phase 1 finale where the Avengers would team up, and Nick Fury was all over the place! So far in Phase 4 I don't feel much coherence, beyond Wandavision, Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 but I don't anticipate we will learn much more with just she hulk and BP2 remaining.

No problem, I still look forward to each TV show and Movie, but in Phase 1 we had the Avengers team up, so far in the multiverse saga, we have 2 more years at least till an Avengers team up!

rp20000

We need to start seeing a more coherent approach with some team ups. Hawkeye had Yelena and Kate, Spiderman had Daredevil but other than the end credits scene in Ms Marvel and Doc Strange 2 there hasn't been much interlinking. There needs to be some more team ups. Think of Winter Soldier, loads of characters who appeared again and again, Civil was was basically an Avengers film by another name there were that many in it.

Shamikebab · 27 Jul 2022 at 16:34

I actually disagree. I like the team ups but I don't want it to be all about team ups and 'big' events. It's nice to just have self contained stories with characters and smaller scale stuff when it makes sense. Infinity War/End Game was a really big event so I think it is wise taking a break after that.

rp2000 · 28 Jul 2022 at 17:03

More team ups! Less Black Widow and Eternals

Probably my least 2 favourite Marvel films and both in phase 4.

rp2000

Kyo · 3 Oct 2022 at 15:05

Actually looks better than i expected.

Efour · 3 Oct 2022 at 15:29

Yeah thats a good trailer, looks 1000x better than any of the previous phase 4 junk.

I never got on with the 1st Black panther, it was utterly garbage IMO but got its praise for "the message"

This looks Solid. Now Wakanda is more established and has been fleshed out a bit, i can dig this.

Although i get strong Avatar vibes from this.. I assume its marvel canon, i guess these 2 "tribes" are waring each other until the evil

"American analogue" shows up to steal the Vibranium/oil/underwater resource.

Wakanda should be ruling the world by now, everyone knows about em right??

fez · 3 Oct 2022 at 16:32

Black-quaman?

JamesH85 · 3 Oct 2022 at 16:50

So the black panther is female now. Will be interesting to see how the character progress. I thought Chadwick Boseman did the character justice, could be a car crash should the lead be weak.

Kyo · 3 Oct 2022 at 18:06

fez said:
Black-quaman?

Namor was actually created before Aquaman so he original deal imo. The cliche Half Atlantian and half human near identical to Aquaman backstory. As to his heritage the character is neither black or white so don't really have a problem with Latino actor playing him as long as he looks the part and can act. I would like a Namor movie done by Marvel and it would probably blow Aquaman out the water, pun intended imo.

Kyo · 3 Oct 2022 at 18:14

JamesH85 said:
So the black panther is female now. Will be interesting to see how the character progress. I thought Chadwick Boseman did the character justice, could be a car crash should the lead be weak.

Yeah that's my concern too, if they are going down the female BP route, would have like them to pick someone with a bigger screen presence, strong woman figure not a skinny teenager. But remains to be seen.

ianh · 3 Oct 2022 at 19:14

fez said:
Black-quaman?

Kyo said:
Namor was actually created before Aquaman so he original deal imo.

Aquaman had a movie out first

well at least thats what most of the general public will be thinking anyway, I know I did because I don't know the history of the Namor character so I assumed the same as Fez purely based on the movies.

Like JamesH85 said, I liked Boseman as BP so I'm unsure how well the handover of the BP name to another person will go as it's not gone well for the new Capt America, although this is for different reasons obviously.