Really?
Isn't it obvious, though. Just add up the pieces...
Blame on both sides
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Isn't it obvious, though. Just add up the pieces...
You'll soon realise Vincent is number 1 on the head in sand brigade.
Oh dear, are you pretending to be thick or do you actually believe this?.
What most 'liberals' as you refer to them support is an element of social democracy with aspects of democratic socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.
Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries—during the latter half of the 20th century.
The kind of socialism advocated by a vast majority of the political left is akin to the Nordic model, not Nazi Germany or Communist Russia.
If you need to resort to ad hominem rather than actually being able to produce the links being requested then that's a pretty poor show.
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Well I never said the guy directly involved in a protest who ended up driving in to a crowd and killing some people was equally to blame as the right wing rally goers - That would be a stretch!
If anyone can quote back to me anything remotely similar to where I've said that, feel free.
But am supposed to connect some dots that a sniper who shot some policemen in Baton Rouge isn't the only culprit, and the leaders of a protest group that might not have even been in the area on the day are equally to blame?
Hmmm
If anyone can quote back to me anything remotely similar to where I've said that, feel free.
But am supposed to connect some dots that a sniper who shot some policemen in Baton Rouge isn't the only culprit, and the leaders of a protest group that might not have even been in the area on the day are equally to blame?
Hmmm
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Oh right its a different socialism from all the other forms throughout history that have completely FAILED. Yeah, good argument. Socialism would work this time wouldn't it? LMAO
I've had a good read through this thread since it started and far too many people are getting bogged down with pointless semantics.
A spade is a spade; If a person dresses like a stormtrooper, seig-heils about the place with swastika flags and other emblems and totems of white supremacy, revering the nazi regime and all that it stood for, calling for the extermination of untermensch (blacks/jews/foreigners etc) as a part of their core beliefs of racial ideology and purity... then just call them what they are - a ******* nazi, and be done with it.
I'm generally a shades of grey kind of guy when it comes to politics and religion, left and right ideology; the balance of stability is typically somewhere in the middle, leaning a little either way, but avoiding an outright swing to one extreme or another.
However, when it comes to those who openly call for a resurgence of one of the most poisonous and brutal periods in modern civilised human history like it's some lost golden age, there is only black and white - no room for grey.
Either you stand with those people and their abhorrent zealotry or you stand against them. There's no 'well, he's only a little bit of a nazi, so we can accommodate that under freedom of speech', no middle ground of acceptance, for to do so is tantamount to condoning their actions and beliefs. Inaction will be seen by nazis as tacit approval of their actions and words.
So what if these people are 'only a fringe group'. Does that mean they are any less objectionable in their world view? No.
Those who are drawing comparisons of left wing protesters (black lives matter, anti fascist movements etc) with nazis and the like need to stop and have a reality check of their own. Without nazi ideology and the racial extremism of white supremacy, there would be no backlash that creates groups like antifa or blm. Likewise using the aggression of some to negate the rather obvious and rightful opposition of fascism and the like is mendacious and insincere at best.
You might not agree with their methods (I find them questionable at times too, doubting the honesty of their cause when it comes to expressing simple vandalism of property and assault) but at least those people are out doing something about one of the most objectionable groups of hatefulness that there is.
All I see here is 25 pages of mindless bickering over a subject that was debated and concluded over 70 years ago culminating in the Nuremberg trials.
Vile and degenerate extremism (political or religious) should be opposed by all right thinking civilised people.
I appreciate the irony in that statement, but opposing murderous, genocidal ideology is no laughing matter. There is no levity in it. None at all, as the extinguishing of 50+ million lives in ww2 will attest, or the endless tribal killings in africa, political killings in cambodia, russia, china, south america... the litany of atrocity goes on and on.
A spade is a spade; If a person dresses like a stormtrooper, seig-heils about the place with swastika flags and other emblems and totems of white supremacy, revering the nazi regime and all that it stood for, calling for the extermination of untermensch (blacks/jews/foreigners etc) as a part of their core beliefs of racial ideology and purity... then just call them what they are - a ******* nazi, and be done with it.
I'm generally a shades of grey kind of guy when it comes to politics and religion, left and right ideology; the balance of stability is typically somewhere in the middle, leaning a little either way, but avoiding an outright swing to one extreme or another.
However, when it comes to those who openly call for a resurgence of one of the most poisonous and brutal periods in modern civilised human history like it's some lost golden age, there is only black and white - no room for grey.
Either you stand with those people and their abhorrent zealotry or you stand against them. There's no 'well, he's only a little bit of a nazi, so we can accommodate that under freedom of speech', no middle ground of acceptance, for to do so is tantamount to condoning their actions and beliefs. Inaction will be seen by nazis as tacit approval of their actions and words.
So what if these people are 'only a fringe group'. Does that mean they are any less objectionable in their world view? No.
Those who are drawing comparisons of left wing protesters (black lives matter, anti fascist movements etc) with nazis and the like need to stop and have a reality check of their own. Without nazi ideology and the racial extremism of white supremacy, there would be no backlash that creates groups like antifa or blm. Likewise using the aggression of some to negate the rather obvious and rightful opposition of fascism and the like is mendacious and insincere at best.
You might not agree with their methods (I find them questionable at times too, doubting the honesty of their cause when it comes to expressing simple vandalism of property and assault) but at least those people are out doing something about one of the most objectionable groups of hatefulness that there is.
All I see here is 25 pages of mindless bickering over a subject that was debated and concluded over 70 years ago culminating in the Nuremberg trials.
Vile and degenerate extremism (political or religious) should be opposed by all right thinking civilised people.
I appreciate the irony in that statement, but opposing murderous, genocidal ideology is no laughing matter. There is no levity in it. None at all, as the extinguishing of 50+ million lives in ww2 will attest, or the endless tribal killings in africa, political killings in cambodia, russia, china, south america... the litany of atrocity goes on and on.
Is this the model that after many decades of one of the best snow clearing efforts ( can't remember if it's Sweden/Norway, but whatever), that after some relatively short period of time via fascist hiring practices forcing people into jobs they aren't suited for, that the snow clearing was **** poor last year?
If they'd just stuck with it's original intent, sure, it's not the Social democracy it once was however and unfortunately relies on the wonders of more capitalist countries not being too aggressive (I'm sure 2008 wasn't fun even in Social Democracies, tends to ruin their ability to function).
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Can you give me some verified figures on the number of Antifa members present at the riot?
I haven't got figures, but they were there.
Here is an eyewitness account
''The streets were not barricaded. Violent antifa [anti-fascists] were not penned in their own area as per our agreement with the Charlottesville Police Department, but were roaming the streets and blocking the entrance to Lee Park. They immediately launched an attack on our group with mace, pepper spray, bricks, sticks and foul liquids. The police stood idly by on the sidelines while a brawl was allowed to ensue. We had to fight our way into Lee Park and dozens of our people were injured by mace and pepper spray as we marched through the gauntlet.”
I don't know where this 'White supremacist rally' idea came from, FAKE NEWS probably, who are wanting to incite a CIVIL WAR to OVERRIDE the democratic process of Trump getting in to office. Amongst these 'White supremacists' were a multitude of different races ffs! Watch some videos instead of reading untrustworthy news sources.
These 'White supremacists' just wanted to exercise their right to protest. THEY KNEW Antifa would show up, hence why they all came prepared with riot shields etc, because they keep getting attacked at their rallies by little fascistic millennials who want to blame the white man for the worlds woes. The left want to shut down their rights of protesting and freedom of speech because they don't agree with them Just like they did with Milo etc when he was due to speak at a UNIVERSITY, ya know, a place where ideas should be allowed to be shared freely!
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Ok, so snow ploughing. Is that enough to write off Nordic socialism?
Yep, continue to sidestep the whole obvious problem. Sorry petal, the pendulum swings both ways. Both extremes are degenerate scum, regardless how pretty you want to dress it up as.
It's not shameful to find yourself on a ”side" you know. What is shameful is not having the balls to admit you have one though.
Agreed. My point being, in threads like these in particular, the same fair logic should be applied in all cases. If the far right is going to be branded by the actions of a minority of heinous fruit cakes then we better apply the same rule for all. That or perhaps be less biased eh?
Hear hear.
Let's hope the Extreme and violent scumbags of the far left minority groups take heed to.
Yeah I've read these so-called eyewitness reports, but I haven't seen any identifiable Antifa members in any of the photos or video.
I've seen counter-protesters attacking the white supremacists, yet I've seen no evidence that they're members of Antifa.
Of course not, but it's an indication that it doesn't produce results. Clearly something changed recently, as their model was perfectly fine up to this point.
That doesn't answer my question.
Really? Where's your evidence for this?
BTW, the Nazis had nothing to do with socialism. The name of their party was just a piece of clever propaganda. The Nazis were fascist to the core.
I mean Nazi Germany wasn't totally socialist, there were obviously elements, but the economy was based more on nationalist capitalism, just the companies weren't really state owned, just that it was ultimately for the benefit of Germans only.
This is not the same as the result of a Communist state capitalism, which is disgusting and should be derided.
This is not the same as the result of a Communist state capitalism, which is disgusting and should be derided.
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Again, I'll spam you with videos when I get home where interviewers go out onto the streets and ask liberals what they think about the idea of socialism, by and large they all seem to want it, without understanding anything about it. They have no conception of real history and don't even know about the many times socialism has failed and millions of people have died as a result.
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I responded to all your points and you only quoted the last bit of my post?
Mine is the side that doesn't have KKK members and Nazis on it, thanks.
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And these are "unbiased sources" you say....?
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