Blame on both sides

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JunglistE said:
When did being a liberal become such a bad thing? lefties this, lefties that.
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When they stopped being liberal.

Liberalism has been utterly corrupted. Modern liberalism is extremely illiberal - it's authoritarian, intolerant and bullying. It goes as far as embracing concepts such as thoughtcrime and precrime. It goes as far as embracing violence as a political tool. It no longer has any connection to what used to be called liberalism.

People who like what used to be called liberalism need a new word because that one is ruined.

In this particular case there were actual fascists and neo-Nazis, but it's important to remember that usually "liberals" use those words to mean "people who don't obey us". There's hate on both sides. There's irrational prejudice on both sides. There's threats and violence on both sides. There's blame on both sides. It's more one-sided in Charlottesville, but in a wider context there's blame on both sides. Or there should be. The fact that the "liberals" (who are extremely illiberal) have far more power and favour far more fashionable irrational prejudices shouldn't make them less blamed, but of course it does.
 
Freakbro said:
Remind me how much of the globe we controlled at the height of the British Empire? :p
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Yes, that's the point - conquest.

Lasting conquest is always political and cultural. It has to be. A large enough military force might be able to occupy a country, but that's not the same thing. It can be used to acquire political power and that can be used to change a culture, but the military force is not the conquest per se - it's a tool to enable the conquest which is political and cultural. It's not the only tool to do so, just the most overt one. Religion can be used, politics can be used, money can be used, sheer weight of numbers can be used. In essence, immigrants change themselves to fit the country they move to and conquerors change the country they move to to fit themselves. It's starting to look more like the latter to me.
 
Angilion said:
When they stopped being liberal.

Liberalism has been utterly corrupted. Modern liberalism is extremely illiberal - it's authoritarian, intolerant and bullying. It goes as far as embracing concepts such as thoughtcrime and precrime. It goes as far as embracing violence as a political tool. It no longer has any connection to what used to be called liberalism.

People who like what used to be called liberalism need a new word because that one is ruined.

In this particular case there were actual fascists and neo-Nazis, but it's important to remember that usually "liberals" use those words to mean "people who don't obey us". There's hate on both sides. There's irrational prejudice on both sides. There's threats and violence on both sides. There's blame on both sides. It's more one-sided in Charlottesville, but in a wider context there's blame on both sides. Or there should be. The fact that the "liberals" (who are extremely illiberal) have far more power and favour far more fashionable irrational prejudices shouldn't make them less blamed, but of course it does.
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Liberal facisism.
 
Angilion said:
When they stopped being liberal.

Liberalism has been utterly corrupted. Modern liberalism is extremely illiberal - it's authoritarian, intolerant and bullying. It goes as far as embracing concepts such as thoughtcrime and precrime. It goes as far as embracing violence as a political tool. It no longer has any connection to what used to be called liberalism.

People who like what used to be called liberalism need a new word because that one is ruined.

In this particular case there were actual fascists and neo-Nazis, but it's important to remember that usually "liberals" use those words to mean "people who don't obey us". There's hate on both sides. There's irrational prejudice on both sides. There's threats and violence on both sides. There's blame on both sides. It's more one-sided in Charlottesville, but in a wider context there's blame on both sides. Or there should be. The fact that the "liberals" (who are extremely illiberal) have far more power and favour far more fashionable irrational prejudices shouldn't make them less blamed, but of course it does.
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Couldn't have put it better really.
 
Angilion said:
When they stopped being liberal.

Liberalism has been utterly corrupted. Modern liberalism is extremely illiberal - it's authoritarian, intolerant and bullying. It goes as far as embracing concepts such as thoughtcrime and precrime.
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Ironic, as in recent threads here I've seen "conservatives" state that any Muslim on a list should be interred without trial, another suggested we put tracking chips in all of them and another said we should just kill them all.

It goes as far as embracing violence as a political tool.
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I don't know any liberals that think violence is the answer. I think you are talking about a tiny minority of fringe anarchist types and lumping everyone else with traditional liberal views in with them. The same way you are then complaining that the alt-right shouldn't be lumped in with Nazis and KKK members.

It no longer has any connection to what used to be called liberalism. People who like what used to be called liberalism need a new word because that one is ruined.
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No "we" don't, right wing ultra Conservative areas on the internet like /thedonald or Brietbart or wherever might have decided that is the case, but in the UK whole have a centralist party called the liberal democrats that tended to mirror my political leanings

In this particular case there were actual fascists and neo-Nazis, but it's important to remember that usually "liberals" use those words to mean "people who don't obey us".
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No, usually they use those words to mean somebody showing facist, racist and supremacist views in their post. I don't believe I've ever called anyone an actual Nazi, other than people in photographs with swastikas, doing Nazi salutes...

There's hate on both sides. There's irrational prejudice on both sides. There's threats and violence on both sides. There's blame on both sides. It's more one-sided in Charlottesville, but in a wider context there's blame on both sides. Or there should be.
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There's always going to be extremist zealots on both sides.

The fact that the "liberals" (who are extremely illiberal) have far more power and favour far more fashionable irrational prejudices shouldn't make them less blamed, but of course it does.
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The US has a majority Conservative government in control of the country.

The UK has a minority Conservative government in power

Yet people like yourself say liberals have more power and more favour and more irrational prejudices.

Just get out in to the actual World and stop reading every little story designed to rile you up with angry white rage against the latest perceived threat to Conservative values. Stop reading fake news about cultural Marxists taking over the World and oppressing you.
 
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Edit: comment removed as I've realised you are referring to the stories, not making the comment yourself. Sorry.
 
No, of course it's not impossible to be racist against white people. Don't put words in my mouth.

How many minorities were at the alt-right Charlottesville rally the other day though? It is majority angry white males.
 
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some of the mainstream media are doing a good job of driving people to the conspiracy sites like infowars or extremist sites like breitbart, it is quite easy to see, from social media, that calling the latest incident in Boston a 'white supremacist march' is rather disingenuous, especially after the organiser was clarifying to them that he's not and he doesn't want it to be that at all:

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I mean at the previous march at least they had actual Nazis, this youtube clip is rather amusing too, unfortunately they swear way too much in it to post or link here but it is worth a watch, they're happy to scream Nazi and just eject some guy who clarify a bunch of times that he's not a nazi and just wants to talk to them

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if you want to look it up:

title is: "Boston Free Speech Rally, 8/19/2017"
youtube code is: 7KiNWJ8FiYg

(again **swearing warning**)
 
mmj_uk said:
We've got Indian far right now...

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Haven't watched either video but you do realise you can ACTUALLY get Indian and black far right as well right? The far right connotation has nothing to do with race, as much as many (such as yourself it seems) like to pretend it's only used against white people.

If you're black or Indian and want to exterminate other races because you think they're inferior, then it's still far right. You just don't seem to get that as much or as openly as white supremacy in the west, possibly because of historical claims and current demographics.
 
dowie said:
some of the mainstream media are doing a good job of driving people to the conspiracy sites like infowars or extremist sites like breitbart, it is quite easy to see, from social media, that calling the latest incident in Boston a 'white supremacist march' is rather disingenuous, especially after the organiser was clarifying to them that he's not and he doesn't want it to be that at all:

ChobYqR.jpg


I mean at the previous march at least they had actual Nazis, this youtube clip is rather amusing too, unfortunately they swear way too much in it to post or link here but it is worth a watch, they're happy to scream Nazi and just eject some guy who clarify a bunch of times that he's not a nazi and just wants to talk to them

iI7mya8.jpg


if you want to look it up:

title is: "Boston Free Speech Rally, 8/19/2017"
youtube code is: 7KiNWJ8FiYg

(again **swearing warning**)
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Of course, that's become the hallmark of the left in America.

Call anyone a Nazi... they've been doing it since Trump was elected. Oh hey look... all college age morons again.

Only thing missing is a communist flag.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyC2ipo2B4

They do it in the UK too, guys holds free speech sign they all attack him and call him a nazi / facist LOL.
 
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What is with the purple/pink and teal hair?

Seeing that video above feels like the 90s playground if you could call it that in secondary school?
 
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