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I actually think it looks alright. I want to hate it on principle but, if you need one car that ticks almost every box (at least on paper) it seems like a pretty reasonable proposition.
 
The z3 feels like an older car than the z4 (for obvious reasons), absolutely not for the better imo though regardless I guess I can see the appeal of that for some - but the killer for me is that I found my dad's absolutely impossible to judge the size of at the front end. You can see virtually nothing but it's got that big flared front sitting there just waiting to be caught on some horrible scrapey object
 
Adz said:
I actually think it looks alright. I want to hate it on principle but, if you need one car that ticks almost every box (at least on paper) it seems like a pretty reasonable proposition.
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What principle might that be?

I think it looks OK. Not that enamoured, but then the GTs have always had big bottoms, for obvious reasons.
 
hurfdurf said:
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I genuinely didn't believe my fellow owners when they said prices were going up, but that is obscene. I paid £16k for mine 3 years ago with only 10k more miles from the same dealer!
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Reduced by £1000, wonder if they have realised people aren't actually buying at the speculator prices?
 
So quick question. What's the general running costs of an m4 like, mainly service costs. I've got a 996 turbo so mpg will likely be better but wondered how much other costs would compare.

Cheers

Chris
 
I'd expect the servicing costs would be lower than a 996T, but I don't know for sure.

Look for one with a service pack, which (assuming you're not buying brand new) is good for 50,000 mile / 5 years.

Tyres are ~£800-1000 fitted for a full set.

Brake pads are not mega expensive for them. Discs also fairly reasonable (unless you get one with Carbon Cermics, then it's ~£3000 a disc at the front, little cheaper at the back!).

Otherwise they are exceptionally economical engines considering the level of performance. My local dealer gave me one for a day whilst my M135i was in for a service and I averaged a shade over 30mpg over 150 miles of mxed driving.

It will, however, likely depreciate far faster than your 996. That's going to be your biggest cost overall.
 
It'll cost more for obvious reasons, it's a recent car that will still be in warranty. - if you buy newish.


I agree on depreciation, doubt they'll hold their value ever.

Ideally you'd go for a competition pack to as that is supposed to transform the car.
 
Everything about the M4 will be cheaper than the 911 Turbo - it'll cost less in repairs as its under warranty, servicing is cheaper than Porsche, it's more fuel efficient, except...

.. the 911 Turbo is appreciating and the M4 is depreciating. This is a major factor which will probably mean that on balance the M4 ends up costing more. The 911 Turbo's residuals go a long way towards cancelling out the cost of keeping one in top condition.
 
The 911's also a far more enjoyable and rewarding car to drive than an M4. Only one of those that's worth their salt is the GTS - or perhaps the Competition Package variant - but they're not worth the premium.
 
Lashout_UK said:
The 911's also a far more enjoyable and rewarding car to drive than an M4.
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Thats a very blanket statement. On a track or a focused drive down a favourite road, I've no doubt this is absolutely true. But if its a car used for regular things then I'd imagine that sitting in a 17 year old Porsche in traffic on the way to Tesco or up the M6 on a Friday night is probably not as enjoyable as a modern M4..

Unless you have a car for every occasion, which I'd imagine many 911 Turbo's probably do hence the increasing value, then cars that are particularly good in one area tend to be a let down in others..
 
[TW]Fox said:
Thats a very blanket statement. On a track or a focused drive down a favourite road, I've no doubt this is absolutely true. But if its a car used for regular things then I'd imagine that sitting in a 17 year old Porsche in traffic on the way to Tesco or up the M6 on a Friday night is probably not as enjoyable as a modern M4..

Unless you have a car for every occasion, which I'd imagine many 911 Turbo's probably do hence the increasing value, then cars that are particularly good in one area tend to be a let down in others..
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This is what I'm thinking, I did an hour and a half trip in it on Thursday and I was tired by the end of it. I hate to say it but sometimes having a more practical car would useful. Maybe I'm getting old. I wasn't thinking of a new one, 2 - 3 years is were I'm looking as its almost a straight swap value wise. My plan would be to keep the car a long time so that eliminates some of the depression hit. I wasn't looking at ceramics either for that reason, my discs and pads would have cost £700 for front and rear if they hadn't been siezed.

Edit am I right in thinking that servicing is typically every 2 years, and it's minor major every other service? What is the going rate for each type of service?
 
Not quite BMW but Minis but felt appropriate to post here.

R56 Mini One, common oil leaks?

Seem to top up my girlfriends quite regularly (1 litre/1k miles is probably about normal) and I've noticed since we've moved there's oil spots on the driver, haven't had it in the air to properly look yet, but it's dripping down on to the passenger front side of the gearbox
 
NVP said:
What is a quick way to visually tell the difference between an F11 and the LCI model?

Thanks :)
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Easiest spot would be the indicators in the wing mirrors, rather than by the front wheel arch.

LCI have the bigger iDrive knob as well.
 
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